Are you this arrogant in real life?
Hey, nice work man. You spelled all the words correctly this time. You deserve a gold star!
I will take that as a yes.
Can I ask one thing? You said you are done, you have voted, so does that mean we won’t here from you again until the day is over?
C’mon, guys – chill a little. This is just a game, remember? No one really dies, and you don’t get so much as a gold star for winning. It’s not worth getting angry with each other over.
Queuing, you asked about why I suggest killing both of Fretful & Kat before turning to Lakai/Brewha. Two reasons:
First, as you managed to gather from my disjointed post, I was just trying to put off having to decide between Lakai and Brewha, when I honestly haven’t an inkling for which is more likely Mafia. Maybe we will learn something else in the next couple of ‘days’ to fix that.
Second, I am a little worried that we might fall into the trap of becoming subconsciously sure that we will find the Mafia split between Storyteller’s two duo. As in, say we lynch Fretful from the second duo, and she turns out to be Mafia. Great! But at that point aren’t we likely to feel (a little) ‘okay, that’s the mafia from that duo, now is the other Brewha or Lakia?’
When, of course, it’s quite possible that both Brewha and Lakia are townies, and we’ll lose going after both of them while ignoring Kat.
We don’t face the same problem if we go after the Brewha/Lakia first - I think we’re agreed it’s highly unlikely that both of them are Mafia. So maybe we should go after one of those two, first? But then we’re left with that choice…
And, after reading Storyteller’s response to my idea, I can see that he’s right, we shouldn’t put a lynching order into play – wait and see what develops.
You know what? Storyteller’s advice all the game has been sound, way sounder than mine. I will cast my vote for whoever Storyteller says – even if it’s me. 
Thanks for posting, Kat!
Fair enough. The ‘keeping her mouth shut’ was only in reference to this ‘day’. And as for one of the PR voters being Mafia, that comes from the idea that the Mafia would spread themselves out to be less noticable. Of course, with three mafia and four people garnering votes, well, I’m not going to seriously say one ofthe PR voters HAS to be Mafia.
As I’ve been saying all through this day, I don’t have more that tiny wisps of reasons to vote for anyone. Mainly I was pointing out reasons for you because others had already taken care of pointing at Brewha, Lakai, and Fretful. Equal opportunity suspicion, that’s me.
Glad to meet you. I’m the Great Pumpkin, as I revealed many days ago.
Hell, if we’re really bored, we could look for reasons to suspect Queuing and storyteller. Or the dead people.
Will you visit the Wayne Pumpkin Patch on Halloween?
HEY BOTH OF YOU! CALM DOWN!
(bolding mine)
Yeah, I’ve pretty much given up trying to spread my theories around. I wouldn’t have responded at all except that you chose to ignore most of my post and simply insult me instead commenting on what I wrote.
Those homonymns are tricky things!
**brewha - **
In all sincerity, this:
Is not helpful. The fact that I have not agreed with a lot of your arguments, theories, and plans does not mean that I have not read them. I think you will find that every one of my responses to you has focused on the specific points you are making. At this stage of the game, floating theories to get shot down is about the best chance we have of generating some kind of new information, which we need. If you are actually town as you claim, than posting your ideas and theories can only help, no matter what sort of reception they get and even if they aren’t adopted immediately. I just think it would be nice if you didn’t subtly imply that those of us who don’t agree with a given theory are obviously either scum or dumb, because that gets people mad and clouds our ability to consider things reasonably.
My game thoughts follow in a separate post.
Yeah, I am in the exact same situation. Add to that the extreme annoyance I feel towards brewha and I don’t completely trust my opinion about that pair.
Wouldn’t this be true regardless of the duo we choose today? If we went after brewha/lakai and one was scum, wouldn’t we feel the other was town? To be honest I see no way out if both of either pair are scum. If the assumptions that storyteller has made are wrong, then I think we will still lose.
Not sure if I agree with this. The only reason I see for believing that lakai and brewha are less likely to be scum is that they have voted for each other constantly. Couple that with the cop reading and the arrogant, crazy behavior of brewha and it could just appear to be them being less likely (if that makes any sense)
That being said, I now think we should do the riskier of the 2 plans. Lets go for broke, and lets follow what I think Storyteller wants to do. Lets choose between Lakai and brewha.
unvote fretful porpentine
Due to my history, I feel that I should NOT decide between these two. Brewha annoys me to no end, and I feel he has done nothing useful for the town but post plans that he claims are foolproof except for that fact that they don’t work. However I still think he is town. I don’t know why, I just do. Even though every post he makes is more and more arrogant and useless.
Lakai. Well if it wasn’t for the cop reading I would have no feeling on him at all. This is not good. I have at least some sort of feeling on everyone else. I will try to read the thread today and see if I can come up with something.
We have about 24 hours right?
Well. Here we go again. Someone upthread described the current situation as having tiny wisps of reasons to vote for everyone, essentially, but no compelling reason to vote for anyone. This is definitely true, and I don’t know how to resolve it apart from taking a shot and hoping. Thoughts on my four chief candidates, helpfully arranged in alphabetical order.
I. brewha
Every time I think about voting for brewha, I feel like I’m getting fooled, like the real Mafia are watching him be aggressive and sitting back quietly and letting him take the heat and the attention and eventually the vote. Every time I think about not voting for him, I feel like I’m getting fooled - like brewha is ratcheting up the intensity, bulldogging Lakai, and counting on us to overthink things and leave him be through the endgame. (I have nightmares that brewha and Queuing are the last Mafia, and that they staged the most incredible bit of theatre in the history of this board over the past three or four Days, but if that is the case then our cause is well and truly hopeless, and I owe them both a beer).
Just to summarize the case against **brewha ** in a short paragraph: the reasoning behind his votes has been shaky in its logic at times but - more importantly - nonexistent in its consistency. Once again I want to point out that his current vision is based on the assumption that any Mafia who were on the PR bandwagon would surely have gotten off of it and switched their vote to Lakai, which is *exactly what *brewha ** actually did. He’s done the “appeal to authority” thing repeatedly by trying to get us all to vote mindlessly from Pleonast’s list - which seems questionable to me in and of itself, very “Look, look, I’m not scum, I’m just agreeing with the Mason,” but also would have the effect of completely chilling discussion as we all vote robotically from a static list. His performance here would work brilliantly if he is one of two remaining Mafia.
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Fretful Porpentine
I had no real bead on her until this game Day, but a few of her comments so far today have seemed… odd. Not wildly suspicious, mind you, just odd. In particular, the statement that “I do not like voting with crowds” could, read in the right light, translate to “I do not like voting such that my vote will actually matter.” I think this is what the late lamented MadtheSwine was trying to say - that Fretful has, for whatever reason, managed to place her vote such that she seldom votes with the majority, and thus is seldom associated with any lynch (notable exception being the lynch of hocow). She has voted for Mafia, yes, but always when they were in no particular danger; this could certainly reflect a townie with incomplete information. It could also mean that she wanted to build an endgame voting record that had both Mafia and townies on it - “see, I voted for scum and townies,” while keeping her Mafia-mates alive and avoiding association with any lynches of townspeople. It would be difficult - not impossible, but difficult - to so effectively avoid being part of any mislynch without having more information than a townie would have.
Also, Fretful is the only currently active player to have expressed suspicion of absolutely no one during this game Day, posting only to defend her own record, discuss general strategy, and state broadly that no one can be trusted (a reasonable perspective). This failure to name names strikes me as interesting in light of the fact that she has appeared as a likely target since the Day began. Why? Well, if there are two (or three, but I think that’s unlikely) Mafia remaining, the biggest key for each is to avoid saying or doing anything that might help the town find the other. If Fretful is Mafia and saw the wind blowing her way, maybe she decided to avoid voicing specific suspicions so as to avoid leaving breadcrumbs when we lynch her and find out her true alignment?
But in some ways both of the above comments are stretching, a little bit.
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Kat
To summarize the case against Kat: there is no case against Kat. There has been no full post analysis of her that I can find, and I just don’t have the time to do one today, but a cursory re-read suggests that she has voted for town and voted for Mafia, followed the crowd at times and issued early fingers of suspicion at others. It’s not that she’s never done any action that, taken alone, could be twisted into somethign suspicious. It’s that, on admittedly brief study, I can find no suggestion of a pattern of behavior, of an evident strategy underlying her actions other than “try to get more information.” Suspicion has rarely been directed against her, but she hasn’t been anything resembling under-the-radar; she appears to be 100% town as far as I can tell.
And here’s what this game does to you: I find that suspicious. How do you come this far in the game and never draw suspicion? Wouldn’t the perfect Mafia play be to pose as a model Citizen?
And then I realize that I’m really saying that *I find it suspicious that I don’t find *Kat ** more suspicious, and I want to stick a paper clip into the wall socket and be done with it.
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Lakai:
The evidence both for and against Lakai right now is pretty circumstantial, and mostly involves things that have happened to him rather than things he has done. We (well, brewha) finds him suspicious because the Mafia didn’t switch their votes to him from Pygmy Rugger yesterday. We find him less suspicious because pimaspinner/Hockey Monkey investigated him and it came up town.
So, moment of truth. I think I can’t vote for Lakai right now, because I just don’t see any suggestion of scumminess. My inclination is to resolve the brewha / Lakai thing somehow, or at least get more info on it - if we lynch Fretful and Kat and they are both town, and we lose to a brilliant pairing of brewha and Lakai, I won’t sleep for three weeks. What that means is that I want to lynch brewha.
But I agree that we need to reach consensus as a town on our remaining lynches, in an effort to keep Mafia from executing last minute vote switches (or worse, controlling the vote in a less obvious way by taking advantages in splits in town voting). So I’ll withhold my official written in blue vote pending further discussion.
Well, I’ve got to grab some lunch and get off to work, so I’m going to go ahead and
Vote Brewha
now. If you change your mind, I can move the vote this evening.
BTW, I had a horribly amusing thought. Now that both Queuing and I have essentially said we’ll follow YOUR choices, wouldn’t it be marvelous, in a black way, if you are actually Mafia? Even the Godfather? :eek:
But down that path lies madness.
If this is true I will stand up and applaud him mightily where ever I happen to be when I find out.
Ok, I agree that we need to do the brewha/lakai pair and I won’t pretend that I don’t want brewha gone.
Lynch Brewha
and Vote Count
4- brewha (Lakai, Kat, StarvingButStrong, Queuing)
1- Lakai - (brewha)
You guys know the drill at this point. 12 hours from Queuings vote, so the countdown ends at 8:09pm pacific, 11:09pm eastern etc etc etc.
All right, then. Let’s make it (mostly) unanimous. Vote brewha. Fretful?
Well, as I said, I had the same basic thought about Queuing. But at some point I had to narrow the list to have even a chance of making a decision, and if I blew it, I blew it.
Incidentally: if Fretful comes in here and votes, we could find ourselves done with this day very quickly. I think there’s a pretty good chance I’m going to be dead tomorrow, so if I am I’ll reiterate for the record that at this moment I find Fretful to be suspicious based on the reasons outlined in my long post above. I think Lakai needs to be investigated more thoroughly with the results of brewha’s lynching (if it goes through) taken into account. And I think someone has to do a more detailed summary of Kat’s history, so we can take a more serious look at her (I can do it if I’m alive, but if not, hopefully Queuing has one more summary in him).
I will do it if you are dead.
Just a reminder to Fretful votes brewha the day ends instantly.
Hey town, I really hope that there’s only 2 mafia left. When I die, which now appears inevitable, that wastes our one mistake. Please look at how the voting ended yesterday. Ask yourselves why it ended the way it did. Why would mafia possibly let mafia get lynched when the town vote was split.
I feel like I’m in some weird twilight zone where everyones mafia but me. It’s been fun, mostly. I’d be fine going out at night, but getting lynched by my fellow townsman just sucks. I guess I can blame myself.
Seriously, town, think for yourselves. You can’t trust anyone that’s left.
A couple of other thoughts. For some reason it has been excepted that all the spats that ended with a town lynch must have been two town fighting. I don’t know how we’ve come to that conclusion with Queuing still alive. He’s been invloved in all the arguments and I would be surprised if he were mafia.
I’m certain Lakai is. Other than him, it’s either Queuing or Fretful. Or maybe I’m crazy.
OK, one question before I cast a vote: Is there a strategic advantage to the sudden-death lynch that makes it somehow better for the town than waiting it out? Because I’m not seeing it, and while I’m OK with brewha as potential scum, I’m inclined to think storyteller had it right the first time around: