Oh, really? Care to show me where in the world I expressed definitiveness about someone else being scum before this? Aside from my woefully misguided vote against Enfant Terrible, of course.
Well, for one, you’re defending everyone I have suspicions about, and you’re casting doubt on several people I’m inching toward trust of. You also use a metric ton of specious reasoning, but I’m not going to go back right now and pull that up, 'cause I’m late for work. Finally, you’re expressing a fair degree of confidence that I’m scum, and I know I’m not. (Unless I read the PM from NAF incorrectly.) And you’re doing it in a fairly aggressive way. Which, you know, would tend to ping one’s radar.
I stand by my near-certainty that the three of you are Mafia. If I’m proven wrong, so be it, but I don’t think I will be.
Fern Forest, why don’t we go ahead and let people decide their own votes? Winston is right; you do talk too much. On that note, if any of you decide to change your votes, let’s all be careful not to lynch Pleonast until we’re good and ready.
This game is difficult enough without Autolycus posting masses of stuff with a few obscure words that leads you to ‘think’ there ‘might’ be a ‘hint’.
The only chance the Town has is to give clear reasons for suspicion.
OK, I see your logic.
I think both Pleonast and Blaster Master have given good analysis.
Pygmy Rugger made a mistake about me apologising for my absence and I trust Menocchio because of CaerieD.
You know what, after a bit of research, you’re right, and I withdraw the assertion. I believe I may have confused you with another poster. My apologies.
I do think you have a remarkable tendency to jump around without explaining why. Way, way back at post #302, you tell Pleonast that you like his idea of trust lists. Then, at post #666, you again express support for him. Then, suddenly, and for no reason that I can tell, you’re casting suspicion on him at #816 - after others have started moving in that direction.
Similarly, at #439 you agree with my reasoning - specious? - that sturmhauke is likely town. Then, a Day later, at #831, you say:
So between 302 and 831, you’ve gone from agreeing with Pleonast about his trust lists and agreeing with me that sturmhauke is probably a townie to casting suspicion on both of them, and never (that I can see) have you explained yourself. Once again, the primary difference seems to be that by the time 831 rolled around, other people had become suspicious so you did, too. Near as I can tell, the primary reason for chasing Pleonast seems to be his trust lists, which you supported at the time. Now you want to string him up because his idea, which you and many others liked, didn’t work out?
Then, at #686, you come out stating that CaerieD’s breadcrumb was probably Blaster Master and not Menocchio, but again offer no reason for thinking this other than that you “agree” with Queing on the subject. We obviously have no sure way of knowing whatCaerieD was trying to tell us, but it seems much more likely, for the reasons I laid out in my last long-ish post, that her first night target was Menocchio. Otherwise we are to believe that she: (1) randomly targeted a townie with an unfamiliar name; who (2) just happened to be scum; and then (3) left a clear distracting breadcrumb for Menocchio while hiding her Blaster Master breadcrumb behind a bunch of other “mistrust” statements. This seems spectacularly unlikely to me; if you disagree, have the courtesy to explain why. Otherwise it looks like you’re seeking evidence that best fits your conclusion, as opposed to the other way around.
All around, your posting history here has the look of someone who gloms onto someone to suspect once you are convinced you have supporters in your suspicion, rather than because you have any reason for it.
That’s fair.
Bad form. If you’re going to criticize my arguments, you need to do better than this.
And my reasoning might not always be perfect, but it’s out there for everyone to see. Your posts generally just toss suspicion around without explaining anything at all.
I should state for the record that I have not expressed confidence that you are scum. I have stated that I find you to be suspicious, and I find you to be even more suspicious having read your last few posts, but my vote is elsewhere at the moment for a reason.
Yeah… I think the deadline is wednesday at 4 p.m. monday evening seems like a good time to put someone over the edge and demand a role claim. this gives them a chance by early tuesday morning to mount a defense/role-claim, and a day + to analyze it.
I think all the vote-leaders right now should be prepared to be logged in here and mounting a defense late monday night/overnight/early tuesday morning.
I’m also liking storeyteller’s analysis and observations on gadarene, and observations throughout the game (Gadarene is another who casts doubt on the caerieD list). I almost listed gadarene in my last big analysis, but I wanted to go back and analyze their posts before commenting.
Storyteller has struck me as quite pro-town for a while, and gadarene as suspiscious. We seem to be drawing some lines now, which is good for future analysis. I’m on storyteller’s side and not on gadarene’s side.
This post caught my eye. This appears to be a not-so-subtle way of deflecting suspicion on Pygmy, in a way that suggests you are in the know about his true role. As I said earlier, could be good team, could be bad team. However, Pygmy was a bit overzealous with his defense, which has me leaning towards scum. Only time will tell I suppose.
We can’t fail to lynch someone. If nobody has gotten 10 votes in order to start the countdown, then the leading vote-getter at “sunset” gets lynched. If two (or more) people are tied, **NAF1138 **will choose at random from those names.
Fern Forest, I think you should let people vote for whomever they want. It is not required that we be unanimous in our decision, and at this point in the game it’s not desirable either. All we have to go on at this point is a very short voting history, a single “breadcrumb” from the Detective, and a whole lot of guesses. If we discourage people from voting with their heads (or stomachs, hearts, or spleens) and try to make them vote “with the town” then we’ll just end up lynching citizens day after day.
I happen to think that **Pleonast **is scum, which is why I voted for him. But if I thought that Arizona Teach was a better target, I would vote for him. And if the whole town told me I was wrong, I would not change my vote if I thought it was correct. Hopefully I am right, and Pleonast *is *scum. Then we can follow up his death with several more and get the town back on track. But if I’m wrong, then I’m going to look for someone who disagreed with me for clues, because my strategy isn’t working. If everyone took your advice and switched their votes in order to be “popular”, then we would have nothing to fall back on.
We need to vote for whomever we think is scum (or the Vig or SK if you think those are more important targets). Some of us will be proven right, some will be proven wrong, and some will be proven liars. That’ the only way the town gets information. If we vote because somebody else told us to, the town gets nothing.
And what the fuck did storyteller, sturmhauke, or glee do that put them on your list? You, against all reason, chose to doubt the obvious breadcrumb by CaerieD, and are still trying to avert attention from the chrisk/JSexton foible.
Tomorrow will be quite telling, when a few more roles are revealed.
The theory MtS proposed was that I read that you and two others said they were going to be away in the Mafia thread. So, by voting for me, you’re saying you’re Mafia, and posted to them last night that you were going to be away?
What chrisk/JSexton foible? I have no idea what you’re talking about.
In any event, and for reasons I’ve explained over the last couple pages, I’m very dubious that Menocchio is town. His reasons for wanting to take out Auto and chrisk are positively idiotic, particularly when he rationalizes them by saying, as paraphrased, “hey, we’re not that behind anyway, it’s perfectly fine if we target these guys [who even if they’re Mafia won’t reveal any important information] and it turns out they’re town.” And my doubt that Menocchio is town makes me strongly doubt that he was CaerieD’s breadcrumb—which, combined with my general large-scale suspicion of Blaster Master, points the FOS square on him.
Has anyone figured out why cowgirl would have been targeted? Was it the spreadsheet?
Holy cow, the sheer volume of this thread is nigh impossible to digest. I’m probably hopelessly out of date. But that won’t keep me from voting Queuing.
Finally, you’re expressing a fair degree of confidence that I’m scum, and I know I’m not. (Unless I read the PM from NAF incorrectly.) And you’re doing it in a fairly aggressive way. Which, you know, would tend to ping one’s radar.
Chill, Winston.