What chrisk/JSexton foible? Are we in the same game?
Auto/chrisk suspiscion is idiotic? They’ve been the most suspiscious people here.
And you’re still trying to say Menocchio is not the breadcrumb?
Mennochio may well be the godfather, but I don’t see how you can still be arguing that menocchio is not the breadcrumb.
Oh, let’s look away and try to figure out why cowgirl was targeted. :rolleyes:
You are so mafia it is not even funny.
Correct
I’ll happily role-claim vanilla townie. I don’t think anyone should have any doubts on that score by now, but YMMV.
zuma:
Yes. What chrisk/JSexton foible?
Prithee, tell me: if we lynch Auto or chrisk and it turns out they are Mafia, what information does that give us going forward? They’re not affiliated with anyone, nobody’s been their staunch defender…to my recollection, they haven’t even given trust lists, for Chrissake. The noise-to-signal ratio has been way too high for each, and now chrisk won’t be bothering anyone anymore anyway. Do you really not understand the need right now to go after someone who’s part of a larger, established group? If not, you’re either an awful Mafia player—which I can understand, 'cause I’m still feeling my way around this game—or you’re criminally obtuse. And I mean criminally.
Yes, for the reasons I’ve stated.
Well, I am. So you can cram it with walnuts.
Oh, let’s look away and try to figure out why cowgirl was targeted. 
Sorry, this was obviously a quote:
Yes, let’s. It strikes me we haven’t really discussed it, and we probably should. Why, for example, was she targeted rather than Blaster Master—who, it has been noted, has been the vanguard of eye-popping statistical analysis and one of the most prolific (and most ostensibly helpful) players in the thread.
chriskJSexton/Queuing/Pimaspinner/Gadarene good lord.
I almost want to vote all four of you at once.
Gadarene actually has no clue why chrisk/JSexton is suspiscious, or autolycus for that matter? And gadarene is STILL spinning the “caerieD did not investigating Mennochio” shit :dubious:
Pleonast - 6 (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Gadarene, Kat, Lakai, Suburban Plankton)
Blaster Master - 4 (brewha, hocow, pimaspinner, Queuing)
Queuing - 4 (kivvik, nesta, StarvingButStrong, Zuma)
Pygmy Rugger - 4 (FlyingCowOfDoom, MadTheSwine, Menocchio, glee)
JSexton - 1 (Pygmy Rugger)
brewha - 1 (MonkeyMensch)
Fern Forest - 1 (Winston Smith)
FlyingCowOfDoom - 1 (storyteller0910)
hocow - 1 (Malacandra)
Menocchio - 1 (Autolycus)
Rysto - 1 (sturmhauke)
Tripple checked, so it should be accurate.
And Pleonast is still in the lead. Just a reminder, someone *will * be lynched come noon Wednesday, even if no one has 10 votes.
Gadarene, your trying to get everyone off your mafioso distractions is comical. You’re in it with chrisk and all the others.
Ok, this thread is crazy. This game is turning out to be a lot more work then I thought. Oh well, it is still fun.
Blaster Master, I suspect you for a number of reasons. You made our fair detectives mistrust list. For those of you who have asked, yes I do think this may have been the breadcrumb. We have no way of knowing whom she investigated the first night. Yes, the odds are she investigated a town, but odds are probabilities, not certainties. Someone has accused me of not trusting menecchio (Zuma I think) which is not true. I have never said anything at all about menecchio as I have no feelings on him as of yet.
Do I know if this is the breadcrumb? No. Do I suspect it may have been? Yes. I think we gain more information by lynching Blaster Master then we do from trusting Menecchio and dismissing all of the other information our detective left us.
Let us say you are all correct, and Menecchio was the crumb. Ok, good, we have a confirmed townie, that is awesome. This is why I have never, and would not, cast a vote against Menecchio. And wouldn’t it make sense for me to? He has voted for me 2 times (unvoting each time I believe though) and wouldn’t a revenge vote make sense? One of his votes for me was because “I was too defensive”. Also if I was ready and willing to completely dismiss the Menecchio crumb, wouldn’t I try to vote for him? Ok, maybe not as that would cast suspicion on me (something that seems to exist already).
Does anyone KNOW what CaerieD left for SURE? No. So what gains us the most information? CaerieD is the ONLY true information we have. She must have left a crumb, in one of her posts. She trusted Menecchio, she distrusted Blaster Master and Autocylus. So let us believe ALL of this information until we know for sure what to believe. This is where we gain the most information. We believe Menechio is town, we believe Autocylus and Blaster Master are scum. Autocylus is either a brilliant player or a bad one, either way there have been enough calls for the SK or Vig to kill him maybe that will happen tonight, so lets not do that. Therefore the only thing we have left open to us is killing Blaster Master. This is why my vote is for him, and I stand by it.
I also think your trust/mistrust lists, which you admit was hogwash, was a scummy thing to do. Posting false information is a lie, and I believe we should “lynch all liars”
Another reason is your rather vigorous defence, even though you have been in no real danger of getting lynched.
Other people have posted this, in such posts as 766, 771 and 779 (I believe).
I have jumped on no bandwagons. My votes, day 1 Sturmhauke and day 2 Blaster Master all came with reasons. I thought it was suspicious Sturmhauke was left alive based on who had died the first night (all players from last game who had done well). It was the first day. The only information we had to act on was who had died and our guesses as to why they had been targeted. This led to my suspicion of Sturmhauke.
Blaster Master I think is scum. I had my suspicions on day 1, but they were mostly unfounded and based on Pleonast’s trust list. I didn’t understand why he had been mistrusted and then trusted. This also leads me to suspect Pleonast.
In post 883, I agree with Lakia. Lynching Pleonast or blaster master is our best source of information right now.
Ok, my defense of Chrisk. On the first day he did something of a role claim. Yes (as I have stated before) it was most likely false. However why assume that? Why not consider the possibility of it being true? Therefore Enfant Terrible would have been town, and lo and behold he was town. I kept calling for Chrisk to continue providing the information. Yes this could be false. Yes he could be hiding scum in there. I also always said at some point we need to test this information. I called to do it on the 3rd day. We lynch someone he has either said is scum or town, if it turned out to not be true then Chrisk dies the next day. This is hardly a glowing recommendation, and a hardy defense. I was going on what information we had. Not on tone of posts, or on amount of posts but on content of posts.
Here is what we may know:
CaerieD was the detective. She trusted Menecchio, she distrusted Blaster Master and Autocylus, she voted for Sturmhauke.
Chrisk claimed, at one point (maybe stupidly, maybe as a joke, but the claim was made) that he is a cop and that Enfant Terrible was town.
Enfant Terrible was town.
Everything else is based on trust/distrust lists, on post amount, on tone of post and some content, but no claims or proven information.
Acting on this information what can we do?
Believe Menecchio is town. Done, lets not lynch him.
Believe Blaster Master is scum. Ok, let’s find out and lynch him.
Believe Autocylus is scum. Ok, if he makes it through the night he dies the next day.
Believe Chrisk is a cop. Ok, this is far fetched and almost assuredly not the case. Particularly since he didn’t continue to post his information, however the one person he said was town was town! For this we lynch him? I don’t even think Enfant Terrible had said much when Chrisk came out and proclaimed him town. So fine, let’s believe he is a cop. Either way he isn’t playing anymore and JSexton is. We should allow him to live due to this if for no other reason.
Therefore we have 1 action we can take. Lynch Blaster Master.
I believe the votes go as such right now:
Day 2 Votes
6 - Pleonast – (Lakia (did it again), Kat, suburban plankton, mad the swine, Fernforest, fretfulporcupine, gadarene)
Unvote – (Lakia, MadtheSwine)
4 -Blaster Master – (Me, Gadarene, pimaspinner, hocow, brewha)
Unvote – (gadarene
4 - Queuing – (menecchio, Zuma (again), starving but strong, nesta, kivvik
Unvote – Menechio, Zuma
3 - PygmyRunner – (Zuma, madtheswine, menecchio, glee)
Unvote - Zuma
1 -Chrisk – (Rysto, FCOD, Kat, PygmyRugger, arizonateach, Lakia (after unvote), Winston, glee
Unvote – Kat, Rysto, Lakia, FCOD, arizona, winston, glee
1 -Brewha – (fernforest, Monkeymensch)
Unvoted - fernforest
1 - FCOD – (fretful porcupine, storyteller)
Unvote – (Fretful)
1 - Rysto – (sturmhauke)
1 - Hocow – (Malacandra)
1 - Fernforest – (Winston)
0- Autocylus – (Chrisk, menecchio
Unvote – (Chrisk, menecchio
0 -Gadarene – (Fern Forest, Chrisk (after unvote),
(Unvote- Fern Forest, chrisk)
0 -Nesta – (sturmhauke, )
Unvote -sturm
Since the top 3 have been told to prepare themselves with a role claim and defense, well read above for my defense. I have no ability to role claim as my ony role is Citizen.
Sorry to keep pointing out your mistakes, but Pleonast is also voting for Queuing, upping his count to 5.
–FCOD
One more thing. I’m very amused that, assuming my logic is correct, I’m now extremely unlikely to be targeted by the Mafia overnight. As I’ve stated, I’m purty near-certain that the vast majority of the following posters, if not all of them, are scum:
Pleonast
Blaster Master
storyteller0910
glee
zuma
sturmhauke
It’s possible that one or two of 'em—particularly zuma—could just be a patsy, but I doubt it.
Anyway, if I’m right and they are Mafia, then they won’t want to target me, because that would reveal that I’m town and lend far more credence to my accusations. And if I’m wrong and they’re not Mafia, then whoever is Mafia wouldn’t want to target me because I’d be inadvertently throwing them a damn fine smokescreen. (And of course, if I’m Mafia, which I’m not, then the Mafia wouldn’t target me in any event.)
So this is what I propose: the Vigilante should take me out during the next night. Because the Vig’s interests align with the town’s interests (this is correct, isn’t it?), he can only benefit from my being revealed to be town. That way storyteller and zuma and glee (and anyone else who’s proclaiming my suspiciousness) will be shown to be direly wrong, and the FOS will then fall (I think rightfully) on them.
If not the Vig, then the Serial Killer. I’m not picky. But I am a vanilla townie, dammit, and the above list is a list of scum.
No, its good someone catches this stuff. I dont’ even get to read the thread these days, I just count and look for my name!
ONE MORE TIME!
Pleonast - 6 (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Gadarene, Kat, Lakai, Suburban Plankton)
Blaster Master - 4 (brewha, hocow, pimaspinner, Queuing)
Queuing - 5 (kivvik, nesta, StarvingButStrong, Zuma, Pleonast)
Pygmy Rugger - 4 (FlyingCowOfDoom, MadTheSwine, Menocchio, glee)
JSexton - 1 (Pygmy Rugger)
brewha - 1 (MonkeyMensch)
Fern Forest - 1 (Winston Smith)
FlyingCowOfDoom - 1 (storyteller0910)
hocow - 1 (Malacandra)
Menocchio - 1 (Autolycus)
Rysto - 1 (sturmhauke)
Woah, there! I did not express approval of chrisk’s Open Detection System. In fact, I suggested a replacement: my trust/mistrust lists.
And I feel the need to reiterate: my first list was an exemplar to show how I would set it up. Do not count changes from that as important in any way.
I missed the Pleonast vote on preview, sorry. Here is my count as I have it (including unvotes):
Day 2 Votes
6 - Pleonast – (Lakia (did it again), Kat, suburban plankton, mad the swine, Fernforest, fretfulporcupine, gadarene)
Unvote – (Lakia, MadtheSwine)
4 -Blaster Master – (Me, Gadarene, pimaspinner, hocow, brewha)
Unvote – (gadarene
5 - Queuing – (menecchio, Zuma (again), starving but strong, nesta, kivvik, pleonast
Unvote – Menechio, Zuma
3 - PygmyRunner – (Zuma, madtheswine, menecchio, glee)
Unvote - Zuma
1 -Chrisk – (Rysto, FCOD, Kat, PygmyRugger, arizonateach, Lakia (after unvote), Winston, glee
Unvote – Kat, Rysto, Lakia, FCOD, arizona, winston, glee
1 -Brewha – (fernforest, Monkeymensch)
Unvoted - fernforest
1 - FCOD – (fretful porcupine, storyteller)
Unvote – (Fretful)
1 - Rysto – (sturmhauke)
1 - Hocow – (Malacandra)
1 - Fernforest – (Winston)
0- Autocylus – (Chrisk, menecchio
Unvote – (Chrisk, menecchio
0 -Gadarene – (Fern Forest, Chrisk (after unvote),
(Unvote- Fern Forest, chrisk)
0 -Nesta – (sturmhauke, )
Unvote -sturm
Very nice analysis, Queuing. You’re making your way towards my trust list.
I specifically encourage people to read this particular paragraph:
I completely agree.
Also, zuma, you never answered the question I posed here.
I’d be interested to see your response.
My gut has been leaning towards lynching Blaster Master, but I was waiting for a convincing, logical argument as to why. It appears this is it.
Woo whoo, I previewed!
Queueing, your thoughts are equally hilarious. You’re still on the blaster master bandwagon based on mistrusting CaerieD’s claim. You are still pushing the idea that blaster master was her actual result rather than menocchio.
I’d still like to hear your idea why asking everyone for their experience to trap them in a lie about their experience was a good idea.
chrisk/JSexton fucked up, and you’re clinging to the ridiculous theory that blastermaster was the breadcrumb…
For the love of God people UNVOTE!
Ok, you have all been really good at this actually. But things are heating up and I just wanted to make sure you all don’t start to forget. I am having a hard enough time keeping up as it is.
zuma:
Actually, he’s saying that assuming that both were her actual result (as would be the safest course of action at this stage) leads us to the same conclusion…that Blaster Master is scum.
Two questions. (1) How did chrisk/JSexton fuck up? Are you just talking about the hypothetical cop role-claim, or did I honestly miss something? (2) Why, in your own words, is the theory that Blaster Master was the breadcrumb ridiculous?
1 trick pony anyone?
I have explained NUMEROUS times to you my idea about the experience. You seem to refuse to even read my posts. Do you just look to see if I posted, come here, hit “post reply” and paste the same comment over and over again?
Did you even read what I just posted? Nowhere did I say I am ignoring the breadcrumb that is “so obvious”. I am saying the only thing that makes sense.
No one (not even you!) KNOWS what CaerieD was saying. If you claim to KNOW that means you know who and who isn’t Town/Scum. How could you know that?
I am proposing we believe ALL role claims and ALL crumbs until it PROVEN (yes this means by killing someone) that someone lied. I am not saying for SURE that the crumb was Blaster Master. Instead I am saying we must believe all crumbs until proven otherwise.
Honestly try reading my posts before you let fly with the same old accusation that I have answered numerous times.