Hey, I was the one jumping at everything **chrisk ** said, and even I don’t see it as a big-time fuckup. And I’m getting more convinced that he was just in over his head.
You, on the other hand, have gotten downright surreal in the last couple of pages, I’m leaning towards believing in Gadarene, and placing you firmly in the scum pile.
I also, for what it’s worth, think that **Pygmy Runner’s ** vote for **Blaster Master ** is a snowjob, and he is part of the scum axis. I do think that one correct lynching will blow this thing to hell, so I’m going to politely ask that we string up Blaster Master.
I concur. This is a much better way of saying it than I have been able to do. I am allowing for the possibility that all of the names she dropped were crumbs. No one knows for sure, so we need to assume everything she said was correct until proven otherwise.
I’m not being voted for by anybody. By all means color code me blue zuma, (be sure to unvote Queuing when you do). I’ll mount a defense when 9 other people agree with you.
As requested an up-to-date vote (at least according to me, the names of who voted are in the order in which they came unless unvoted and revoted) including unvotes:
I’m currently voting for Pleonast, but I’m happy to switch over to Blaster Master instead to make the numbers work out all right. I don’t care which of them gets lynched as long as one of 'em does; I think we’ll be able to flip over the rock and uncover the scum network regardless. Once we get another vote count, I’ll see whether it makes sense to switch.
You have some serious explaining to do. I’m pretty sure you know who all the scum are. AND you used edit, which is against the rules. Have you even read them?!?
Good answer. I disagree, but at least I understand why you are using CaerieD in support of lynching Blaster Master. It’s still not a good reason, though. The suspicion that CaerieD had of Blaster Master seems reactionary to me, not a breadcrumb, so while we have to keep it in mind it’s a very thin justification to go after Blaster Master.
I can’t get behind the Blaster Master bandwagon. Especially now that it’s about reached critical mass. I don’t like some of his logic, and some of his posts strike me as odd, but with as much as he’s posted that’s bound to happen even if he is town. I do think that it’s either him that is town and you or Gadarene, or both, are scum for starting his bandwagon, or he’s scum and you two have done a good job of outing him. I would much rather lynch the scum today to reveal us some more trusted civilians than lynch a civilian to reveal scum. It seems the Blaster Master train has already left the station, so I’m actually rooting for you to be town. Since it doesn’t look like you are in serious danger, and I think you’re more likely to be scum than he is based on the way his bandwagon went down, I’m leaving my vote where it is.
FOS Gadarene too. I think your behavior today has been much more suspicious than Queuing’s, and I’d change my vote if it looked like it was a choice between Queuing and you. Asking the SK or Vig to kill you seems a really stupid idea, because if you’re scum you don’t mean it, and if you’re town then why would you want us to lose another civilian? The lynch tonight is as likely to reveal enough information for us to go on tomorrow as your death, so why have both happen at the same time?
Your reasoning is dubious at best, and deliberately so at wost. My explanation for my survival last night is simple. Yesterday, (I don’t remember the post, but if you doubt it, I can find it), I made a request of the doctor to EITHER self-protect OR protect those with the highest level of trust. My purpose of this request was to allow the doctor to potentially self-protect AND stiill cast doubt on whether or not those with high levels of trust like** Rysto** and myself were protected, removing temptation from the mafia, VIG, and SK to target either of us. Further, at this point, the mafia would be dumb to kill anyone in high suspicion, either because they actually are mafia OR they’re good distractions from their brethren. Thus, at this point, their only targets are likely to be people who are completely under the radar in either direction.
My point? It is just as much of a weapon for the mafia to leave particular individuals alive as it is to kill one; both can be used to cast doubt on the trustworthiness of an individual.
The fact that you want to lynch me for being “ostensibly helpful” betrays the fact that you’re aware of this fact and, aware of my town loyalty, are doing everything you can to get a helpful player lynched during the day, to allow you and your mafia brethren to target the “under the radar” players at night.
Your squirming and pseudo-role-claim when someone other than those you’ve already pointed the FoS at, muchless your ridiculous “VIG, please kill me tonight” garbage just demonstrates your hypocrcy and scumminess even further.
Your evidence against me is: I’m still alive (?), I supported pleonast’s trust lists (which you did as well, before condemning me for it), and that CaerieD distrusted me, claiming my death will net more information (despite that many have said my analysis has been helpful). Meanwhile, your death will net at least as much information as mine will, by either vindicating or condemning this “list of definite scum” you’ve put together, and doing the opposite to your ostentacious supporters.
Thus, for now, I will vote to lynch Gadarene. Though I suspect your lynching won’t get the necessary votes today, thus I’m also prepared to shift it to **Queuing ** if necessary.
On another note, my access will be limited for about the next 24 hours, but if I’m still the leading vote getter tomorrow, I’ll post my final defense then.
I am wondering, what part of CaerieD’s suspicion is reactionary? Up until that point most people (I think and Blaster Master agrees) trusted Blaster Master for his posts, his math work and generally supported him. Yet CaerieD put him on the distrust list, along with Autocylus, who at that time was being bandwagonned.
I agree that acting on the CaerieD information alone may be somewhat thin. I have explained my other reasons for voting to lynch Blaster Master.
Hell she could have investigated Menocchio found him to be town, and just placed people she thought seemed to already have town support behind them (Blaster Master) and people who were being bandwaggoned (Autocylus) on her list to try to hide her power role.
However a person who was that tricky with their mistrust list would have been smart enough to put more then 1 person on her trusted list, don’t you think?
Besides my suspicion of Blaster Master, I thought he’d be a good vote since if he is town, he’s as good as dead anyway. The mafia will see to that because of his high profile posting. OTOH, he has a good point that the mafia may start picking off low profile posters to keep suspicions on those like Blaster Master.
He’s either a helpful and well meaning townie or a very clever baddie. Right now there’s too much reasonable doubt for me to take part in lynching him.
Are my supporters really “ostentatious”? That’s awesome. But hey, I’m happy to go down at the same time as you. Townies still far outnumber the Mafia, and if your death does lead to the exposure of the other five people I’ve listed as probable scum, it could well be enough to break the game completely open. Sounds like a good trade-off to me.
See, this is what cracks me up about you guys. It’s not enough for you to say, “Gee, Gad, I understand the need for suspicion, but I don’t think you’re thinking this through; we’re both on the same side here.” No, instead you (and zuma and whoever else) wax lyrical about my “hypocrisy and scumminess.” What that does, basically, is remove any doubts I have about you.
Plus, you’re not even very good liars any more. As ArizonaTeach pointed out about zuma, your posts—their wording, their tone, their approach—are starting to ring utterly false. It’s kind of amusing, but mostly it just makes me happy I figured it out.
I’m not being voted for by anybody. By all means color code me blue zuma, (be sure to unvote Queuing when you do). I’ll mount a defense when 9 other people agree with you. 
But hey, I’m happy to go down at the same time as you. Townies still far outnumber the Mafia, and if your death does lead to the exposure of the other five people I’ve listed as probable scum, it could well be enough to break the game completely open. Sounds like a good trade-off to me.