Guys, can we not lynch anybody until JSexton has had a chance to post?
I’ve been thinking more about this statement, and particularly why may name would be in it. Does anyone else find it odd that zuma would want me to role-claim when I am in no danger at all of being lynched? With not even one vote cast against me? Either zuma has his panties all in a bunch over nothing or he’s scum who thinks I have some role and he’s trying to out me. Sorry to disappoint you. I think he just outed himself.
CaerieD’s suspicion of me was because I was “a little too gung ho”, which seemed based on the suggestion made (IIRC, by you) that people who offer a lot of analysis are more likely to either be mafia or a power role. I’m still trying to figure out the logic behind that as good reason to lynch, so let’s analyze:
Let’s assume for a moment that it’s true; then I’m either mafia or a power role AND I’ve been helpful (going by what others have said). Knowing that it’s highly unlikely that she would have targetted me (as I wasn’t a previous player, and wasn’t particularly active in the thread before the first day began), then that makes it just about as likely that I’m a power role as that I’m mafia. Being that others have found my analysis useful, if I am mafia, there ARE others out there who haven’t been helpful, and thus you can keep me around and use my analysis and lynch me later; if I’m a power role, then you’re losing a power role AND my helpful analysis, making me one of the worst players for the town to lose. IMO, losing a potential power-role AND my analysis far outweighs losing a potential mafia who still provides useful analysis to the town
Now, of course, let’s analyze the opposite, and much more likely scenario IMO, that that suggestion is without merit. That is, my posting quantity is an artifact of my enjoyment of the game and my ability to keep up with it, and nothing more. Thus, I’m no more likely to be mafia, townie, or a power role than anyone else; thus, casting serious doubt on the bandwagon, and its main proponents, that has formed on me because of this reasoning.
Either way, if I’m put on the chopping block, as it looks like I very well may be, I’m adequately prepared to dispell the doubt of my trustworthiness. And if/when that occurs, I imagine the FoS will fall squarely on you and Gadarene; and it absolutely will when my death reveals that I, indeed, am not mafia.
No one has been lynched yet. No one is in real danger of lynching. At some point the day will end, and we should end it rather then the Moderator. However I don’t think we should end it YET. Blaster Master will be away for the next 24 hours (which sucks, and I urge him to post his defense now, much like I did).
IMO if you are one of the people in danger, it behooves you to defend yourself as we are running out of time. With only a 12 hour window to defend yourself you could quite easily run out of time.
VOTE UPDATE: (if you don’t like these, or the way I do it feel free to say so)
7 -Blaster Master – (Queuing, Gadarene (again), pimaspinner, hocow, brewha, pygmy rugger, ArizonaTeach, winston)
Unvote – (gadarene, brewha)
5 - Pleonast – (Lakia (did it again), Kat, suburban plankton, mad the swine, Fernforest, fretfulporcupine, gadarene)
Unvote – (Lakia, MadtheSwine, gadarene)
5 - Queuing – (menecchio, Zuma (again), starving but strong, nesta, kivvik, pleonast)
Unvote – Menechio, Zuma
3 - PygmyRunner – (Zuma, madtheswine, menecchio, glee)
Unvote - Zuma
B]2** -Gadarene – (Fern Forest, Chrisk (after unvote), smitty, Blaster Master)
(Unvote- Fern Forest, chrisk)
1 -Chrisk – (Rysto, FCOD, Kat, PygmyRugger, arizonateach, Lakia (after unvote), Winston, glee
Unvote – Kat, Rysto, Lakia, FCOD, arizona, winston, glee, pygmy rugger)
1 -Brewha – (fernforest, Monkeymensch)
Unvoted - fernforest
1 - FCOD – (fretful porcupine, storyteller)
Unvote – (Fretful)
1 - Rysto – (sturmhauke)
1 - Hocow – (Malacandra)
0 - Fernforest – (Winston)
* (Unvote – Winston) *
0- Autocylus – (Chrisk, menecchio
Unvote – (Chrisk, menecchio
**0 **-Nesta – (sturmhauke, )
Unvote -sturm[/QUOTE
Well, an hour and a half to read 300 posts, not too bad.
**Winston Smith ** called for me to justify or update my suspicion list in #936 and I am happy to, given the changes that have occured.
My list at the time was: chrisk, brewha, aguecheek. At that time I was waiting for chrisk to explain or defend his posts, but that is not forthcoming now. So chrisk, and by extension JSexton, is off the list, but still awaiting data.
Brewha had accused me of giving 3 or 4 scum tells based on my admission of being a first time player and saying “::sniff::” to farewell the first night’s fallen. I thought it was very weakly based suspicion and it caught my eye.
Aguecheek in #393,
seemed to be basing suspicion on sturmhauke’s performance in the werewolf game and his survival of the first night. Again, like brewha’s suspicion, it seemed weak and contrived.
With the current information I’m going with Aguecheek, Brewha, Queuing. Queuing is there from reading others’ analyses and is third for that reason.
So unvote brewha, vote aguecheek.
I wanted to lynch chrisk for precisely this reason. Town or Mafia, I didn’t want this slowing down an already excruciatingly slow day.
Come on, people! Where’s your hysteria?!?
Maybe reactionary wasn’t the word I was looking for. Hm, according to m-w.com it seems it wasn’t. I was trying to say that CaerieD was reacting to Blaster Master’s posts, and not trusting her investigation, when she said she didn’t trust him in post 478. This is in contrast to the out of nowhere trust she gives Menocchio in post 326. The original trust list was posted 3/28 at 3:54 PM, and the mistrust of Blaster Master was posted on 3/29 at 10:47 AM, or almost 18 hours later. That’s a lot of time to build up a reaction to someone who posts as much as Blaster Master, and his prolific posting style is her stated reason for distrusting him. That’s what I meant.
I don’t think she was that tricky. I think her posts were exactly what they appear to be, that she made an obvious breadcrumb post after supporting the idea of breadcrumbs, and then later didn’t trust Blaster Master for exactly the reason she said. Nothing tricky there.
Bolding mine, **brewha ** unvoted.
BM only has 6 votes now. See, it’s not easy to keep up.
Correction, I had a feeling I didn’t state that too well. I will have limited access (mondays and tuesdays and thursday tend to be VERY busy for me between work and school) so I may or may not be able to defend myself tonight. That said, if I get home at a not so unreasonable time, I may post my defense tonight, if I still feel I’m in danger.
Only six? From your list, I count seven.
Queuing, Gadarene (again), pimaspinner, hocow, pygmy rugger, ArizonaTeach, winston.
Yup, seven.
I was going of the number he had. I didn’t actually count.
But I realized I misinterpreted how he was putting the list together…never mind, I shouldn’t post.
Who am I to try to keep track of things.
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**Winston Smith ** called for me to justify or update my suspicion list in #936 and I am happy to, given the changes that have occured.
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What the hell are you talking about? I never asked you for anything. We’ve not even had any dialog, you and I. Although I vaguely recall you casting suspicion my way 4 or 5 hundred posts ago.
WTF? 
For the record this is false. I have never accused someone of being to “gung ho”. I am the 6th most active posting player. I do not think the number of posts indicate anything (except maybe a little much involvement in the game 
). Since I am voting to lynch you on the basis of information provided to us by the only person who has the ability to provide townspeople info (our dead detective), and the fact that you lied (lynch all liars). Also considering the fact most of your “useful” reputation is based on math and probabilities, I feel confident in my vote for you.
You could be town, to be honest I don’t KNOW. All I KNOW is what I am, a vanilla citizen, and what the dead people are. One of these dead people happened to be a detective. I believe everything she said. That is the only logical way to look at her information. Unfortunately for you she said she didn’t trust you. You are now saying she didn’t trust you because of what I said?! Even though I didn’t say it? Huh? Lie number 2? Or just an honest mistake, and why not point the finger at me?
He has 7. I count everyone who has voted for a certain player, and leave them in that list. I then compare it to who has unvoted. I do this so I can see who voted for who, and when they voted. The order of names is in the order the vote was cast.
Sorry if its confusing, I can change the list I post to be consistent with yours if that will make life easier.
Nah, do your thing. I usually don’t use your lists, I just check them to see if the seem right when I have the chance. You all do what works best for you.
It may not have been you that made the suggestion, but I’m quite sure there was a suggestion made that analysis and lots of posting is often either a mafia or power role tell. And this argument is completely non-sensical as well. CaerieD has ONE breadcrumb, and it’s 99% likely that it was Menocchio. If it wasn’t him, then it still makes it equally likely that it was me or Autolycus that shouldn’t be trusted. Other than her single breadcrumb, any other distrusts she had are nothing more than conjectures that are as valuable as anyone elses.
And lying? The only accusation I’ve seen of me lying was with regard to my trust list, which I felt I’ve adequately defended twice, and yet I keep getting accused of lying, without regard to those defenses. So, either address my logic in those defenses, point out another place you think I lied, or give it up.
The only “useful” part of my reputation is my mathematical analysis? Let me ask you then… why would a mafia who, based on the original understanding of the beat cop, could potentially use his investigations to hide his status go through the effort to prove it is actually very useful information? Further, I am quite certain that both you and Gadarene are mafia, based on my analysis of your voting patterns and starting this bandwagon against me. I guarantee that when I either become a confirmed townie, or am dead, the rest of the town will find that analysis quite useful.
As I stated above, the only reasonable thing that CaerieD said that is worth trusting is with regard to Menocchio. What if BOTH Autolycus and I are townies? It seems silly tome to assume we’re both scum by the sole justification that she was “suspicious” of us with no more information about either of us than anyone else has. Otherwise, you’re either naive OR you’re deliberately trying to use this town’s grief over her death by twisting her words to get the town to lynch ANOTHER townie.
I see the Blaster Master bandwagon has slowed down by one vote, and it doesn’t seem as inevitable that it will go through as it did to me just a few minutes ago. In case the lynch mob is looking for other targets I’d like to put my vote where I think it really belongs.
Unvote Queuing
Vote Gadarene
This is because Queuing has had good reasons for why he’s voted for Blaster Master, but Gadarene mostly hasn’t. She also seemed quick to pick up the “Blaster Master was the breadcrumb” theory that I find flawed and run with it. Combine this with her unsound “kill me to prove I’m a civilian” strategy and it makes me think that between her and Queuing, she is slightly more likely to be scum than he is.
Him. He. Thanks. 
Sorry about that. I think my mind was stuck on remembering CearieD was a she and somehow that got applied to you. I’ll try not to let it happen again.
Hey, no worries! Let me ask you a question, though: if I get lynched and it turns out that I’m a vanilla townie, will you give my scum list any more credence than you do now?