Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

The Game Room
1041

Me and my buddies got’s to talk’ last night bout all tha crazy shit’s that been goin’ ons in town lately-like, and we’s came up with the followin’ obsavations.

Firsts of all, we’s cant tell for shit if Blaster Master is talkin’ straight or maybe just pullin’ it outs his ass, but regardsless he’s postin’ the best analyseses in towns so fars’ Wouldn’t make much sense if he’s were Mafia, but then’s again maybe it’s a smokescreen. I’s gots no clue, but it struck me’s and my buddies eye.

Ands another thing, Gadarene and Zuma seems awfully buddy-buddy like to be havin’ such a ruff-n-tumble argument and shit. I is probably just goin’ crazies, but I think’s they are both scum. Playin’ games to confuses simple guyz like me. It woulds behoove youz fella’s to look at their post’s again. Hehe, I said "behoove"s in a sentance. Mum woulds be proud.

My friend’s Japanese and he’s always tellin’s me “the nail that sticks out gets hammered down” So far’s the only hammered I want is the alcoholic kind.

I’m goin’s to keep my vote for Menocchio, because he still’s got my goat. Nobody get’s m y goat without me permission.

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[QUOTE=Gadarene]
Hey, no worries! Let me ask you a question, though: if I get lynched and it turns out that I’m a vanilla townie, will you give my scum list any more credence than you do now?
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Definitely. Today has given us a lot of info, and if one of the key players today gets lynched (you, Blaster Master, or Queuing) it’ll draw some very clear lines between groups of suspected people. Your list will be a good place to start one way or the other.

1043

[QUOTE=Gadarene]
You’re on my list, glee.
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[QUOTE=Gadarene]

So: Pleonast, Blaster Master, storyteller0910, sturmhauke, glee, zuma.
Anyone else want to out themselves as scum?

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[QUOTE=Gadarene]

I’m purty near-certain that the vast majority of the following posters, if not all of them, are scum:

Pleonast
Blaster Master
storyteller0910
glee

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[QUOTE=Gadarene]

Once again, the vast majority of the following list are scum. …

Blaster Master
Pleonast
storyteller0910
zuma
glee
sturmhauke

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What reason have you got to keep repeating I’m Mafia? :confused:

The theory MtS proposed was that I read that you and two others said they were going to be away in the Mafia thread. So, by voting for me, you’re saying you’re Mafia, and posted to them last night that you were going to be away?

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You’re confusing MadThe Swine’s theory with my statement that you made a mistake.
Also Menocchio (who our detective vouched for) voted for you.
I don’t have a lot of reason to think anyone is Mafia, but that’s why I voted.

1044

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]

And lying? The only accusation I’ve seen of me lying was with regard to my trust list, which I felt I’ve adequately defended twice, and yet I keep getting accused of lying, without regard to those defenses. So, either address my logic in those defenses, point out another place you think I lied, or give it up.
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Why? You lied. You may have defended your lie, but big deal. You lied in the first place. I don’t care what reason you have for your lie. This is a game of trust, and you lied. Why would I believe you now?

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
The only “useful” part of my reputation is my mathematical analysis? Let me ask you then… why would a mafia who, based on the original understanding of the beat cop, could potentially use his investigations to hide his status go through the effort to prove it is actually very useful information?
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To give the appearance of being pro-town? It was math, that was it. While it may be useful it really isn’t that useful. So the beat cops aren’t 100%. I know that. I also know they have a 50/50 chance if they accuse someone. This is much better then my 1 in 31 chance. Therefore if I know someone is a beat cop, and they say X is scum, well I am a going to damn well vote with them. Just like if I knew who the masons were I would vote with them, as they have better odds then I do.
In fact I would like someone to point out this “great” analysis that you have done. All you have done is math, and defended yourself. You have basically defended yourself by saying “Hey I am town, look at all my great analysis (Math), and how hard Queuing is going after me. He is scum. I am town. I post a lot. My analysis is great. Of course one of the few statements our Detective made mentioned me, but come on! She also said she trusted someone else. That is for sure the crumb. Don’t be dumd. I am town. My analysis (math) is great”

The only “great” analysis I have seen is by Rysto. All you have done is Math, all Zuma has done is accuse me over and over again for the same reason. All I have done is believe everything the one trusted person with information has said.

This is why I am voting on what CaerieD said. Guess what? She has better odds then I do. She KNEW something. I don’t know what that was. Either do you!

Yes, it may have been Menecchio. Why that is more likely to be the crumb then you or Autocylus, I don’t understand. Well I do understand. I get why you, and others, think it was Menecchio. However you all act like you KNOW. You don’t know. Unless you are scum. Your odds go down, down a lot. You know who maybe 10 other people are.

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Further, I am quite certain that both you and Gadarene are mafia, based on my analysis of your voting patterns and starting this bandwagon against me. I guarantee that when I either become a confirmed townie, or am dead, the rest of the town will find that analysis quite useful.
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Well I am not Mafia. I have no idea what Gadarene is. I thought he was Mafia on the first day. Check my mistrust list. He was on it.

Honestly I don’t see either one of us playing for much longer.

Say I am successful, and you are scum and lynched today. I die tonight most likely.

Say I am successful, and you are lynched but you are town. In this scenario I make it through the night (probably again), and I am lynched (probably rather quickly) by the town. They will find out I am town then, but to late for me.

Say you are succesful, and get me lynched today. They find out I am town, you make it through the night, and they lynch you tomorrow.

Either way, I think we both die soon :).

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
As I stated above, the only reasonable thing that CaerieD said that is worth trusting is with regard to Menocchio. What if BOTH Autolycus and I are townies? It seems silly tome to assume we’re both scum by the sole justification that she was “suspicious” of us with no more information about either of us than anyone else has. Otherwise, you’re either naive OR you’re deliberately trying to use this town’s grief over her death by twisting her words to get the town to lynch ANOTHER townie.
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I love how you never consider the other side, how you dismiss it, how confident you are that you are correct. True, all 3 of you could be town. I don’t think so, but hey I could be wrong. Your arrogance astounds me. You don’t even consider the idea that CaerieD could have left a different crumb

I am wondering have you got these psychic abilities of yours tested? I mean its amazing that you absolutely, without a doubt, 100% KNOW what CaerieD did.

1045

Because you’re siding with all of the people I think are Mafia, and against many of the people I feel I have a reason to trust.

1046

[QUOTE=glee]
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You’re confusing MadThe Swine’s theory with my statement that you made a mistake.
Also Menocchio (who our detective vouched for) voted for you.
I don’t have a lot of reason to think anyone is Mafia, but that’s why I voted.
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What was the mistake I supposedly made, if you’re not referring to what MtS proposed?

1047

[QUOTE=Gadarene]
Because you’re siding with all of the people I think are Mafia, and against many of the people I feel I have a reason to trust.

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Long ago, I said I trusted Pleonast + Blaster Master. I was impressed with their analysis.
As I said, I don’t have strong views on who is Mafia, but I confidently assume that posters who are actively helpful are more likely to be Citizens.
I haven’t made any comment on anyone else on your list.

[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]

[QUOTE=glee]

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You’re confusing MadThe Swine’s theory with my statement that you made a mistake.
Also Menocchio (who our detective vouched for) voted for you.
I don’t have a lot of reason to think anyone is Mafia, but that’s why I voted.

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What was the mistake I supposedly made, if you’re not referring to what MtS proposed?

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You said I had excused my absence. I hadn’t.
MadThe Swine may take it further, but the mistake exists.
I wouldn’t have changed my vote to you, except that FernForest convinced me the Town should be moving towards a lynching majority to provoke a defence.

1048

Queuing, can point out specifically where Blaster Master lied (or, link back to a post where you already did)? Specifically, can you link to two or places where he contradicts himself?

1049

[QUOTE=glee]
I wouldn’t have changed my vote to you, except that FernForest convinced me the Town should be moving towards a lynching majority to provoke a defence.
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I believe we have reached this point. IMO, once you get 6 votes on you, you should consider defending yourself. Only to avoid the 12 hour countdown occurring without a chance to say anything. Each person can choose their own time.

I am looking forward to JSexton making an appearance. Even though we have no idea what role he will be (with the best analysis IMO to this point suggesting Chrisk/JSexton was mafia) I think a number of other people are waiting too. To try to help out those who may need a vote recount (and since we have had a unvotes and revotes) here is the latest list of votes of those who have 3or more (in a smaller and maybe easier to read format):

7 -Blaster Master – (queuing, Gadarene, pimaspinner, hocow, pygmy rugger, ArizonaTeach, winston smith)
5 - Pleonast – (Lakia, Kat, suburban plankton, Fernforest, fretfulporcupine)
4 - Queuing – (Zuma, starving but strong, kivvik, pleonast)
3 - PygmyRunner – (madtheswine, menecchio, glee)
3 -**Gadarene ** - (smitty, Blaster Master, Nesta)

1050

[QUOTE=MonkeyMensch]

**Winston Smith ** called for me to justify or update my suspicion list in #936 and I am happy to, given the changes that have occured.

[QUOTE=Winston Smith]

What the hell are you talking about? I never asked you for anything. We’ve not even had any dialog, you and I. Although I vaguely recall you casting suspicion my way 4 or 5 hundred posts ago.

WTF? :confused:
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My misreading. It was your post (#936) but you were quoting **Forest Fern ** at the time. No offense intended. For those of you keeping score, my explanations were at the behest of FF. Carry on.

1051

[QUOTE=Pleonast]
Queuing, can point out specifically where Blaster Master lied (or, link back to a post where you already did)? Specifically, can you link to two or places where he contradicts himself?
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Oh man, are you serious? He admits to lieing. He lied on his Mistrust list the first day, about who and why he put on there. If I really must I suppose I could look through the whole thing, but damn, that will take forever!

I wasn’t even the one to catch him on it. I don’t know who it was, but it was around page 17 I think.

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For Pete’s sake, people, slow down! How’s a guy supposed to keep up with the thread and still be able to earn a day’s wages? We’ve gone through another 150 posts since I had the chance to glance in here!

It’s getting to the point where I’m ready to jump on whatever bandwagon will get this day over with the quickest, just so that we can end the bickering that’s going on right now, and get some solid information. Either we lynch scum, and find even *more *scum by association, or we lynch town, and we all have to erase our cheat sheets and start from scratch. Or, perhaps we catch the Serial Killer and everyone, Mafia and town combined, can be happy.

But right now, it seems we’ve reached a point where we’ve got a small group of people who are repeating the same arguments over and over again, and frankly its getting a little tiresome.

I’m not changing my vote until someone gives me a reason to. That would either be **Pleonast **posting a good defense, or someone else incriminating himself. I did see a couple posts from the last few hours that interested me as I was skimming them here at work, but I’ll have to wait until this evening when I have a chance to spend some “quality time” with the thread before I can tell if it’s enough to change my vote.

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[QUOTE=Queuing]
Why? You lied. You may have defended your lie, but big deal. You lied in the first place. I don’t care what reason you have for your lie. This is a game of trust, and you lied. Why would I believe you now?
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Nice try, you’re still claiming I lied, but it WASN’T a lie. I was TRYING to point out that, since I knew it was basically random information, I was taking advantage of it by deliberately including random information which is no different than you, or anyone else, including “gut reactions” based on zero information.

Let me give you another way to look at it. Did anyone have any good reasons to trust anyone yesterday other than maybe the masons and the detective? A hunch is random, thus, even the one or two on my trust list that were hunches were random as well. From an information theory perspective, it was nothing more than an initialization step.

What I was TRYING to point out, was individuals who now hold it against me that I trusted a particular individual with little cause (Lakai), when every townie’s was random, makes no sense, unless you have enough reason to assume Lakai is scum. Otherwise, you’ve done nothing but point out that you saw an unexpected result in a random list… well, that DOES happen, they ARE random. If you’re going to accuse me for trusting **Lakai ** for little reason then, under that logic, you should distrust BOTH of us.

My other point was, the only lists that are NOT random are the mafia and masons(who will cross-trust eachother) and the cops (who will trust or distrust whom they’ve investigated). With the knowledge that my list was pretty much random, and ensuring at least one trust that was baseless, I was attempting to gauge if any mafia would attempt to mimic my list, based on my high level of trust, to hide. Thus, knowing no one else had a reason to include that individual, I could use that information to conclude that person was likely mafia.

Either way, describing my trust list as a lie, is deliberately misleading on YOUR part.

I’ve provided plenty more analysis than my math, and several other citizens have stated such. Ignoring my other analysis is intellectually dishonest on your part. If you don’t believe me, I invite you to re-read some of my earlier posts. I never claimed all of my analysis was great, or even correct, but at least I’m doing more than pointing fingers in random directions.

You and Gadarene are the only two still desperately trying to hold onto that idea; it isn’t working. It may have been Menocchio is like saying the sun may come up tomorrow… sure, there’s a possibility the sun won’t rise, but I sure as hell won’t bet on it. Thus, she actually didn’t know anything more than anyone else, and the rest of your logic falls apart.

Well, you’re right there; I doubt any of the three of us has long to live. However, I assure you, lynching me today would be disasterous for the town.

Again, misrepresenting what has been said. I never claimed 100% knowledge that Menocchio was her breadcrumb. However, were I in a jury ready to convict someone and put them to death, I certainly believe it was her breadcrumb beyond a shadow of a doubt. You wanting to lynch someone off of such a miniscule possibility (that I was actually her breadcrumb), against the analysis of just about everyone else in the thread, looks like desperation to draw evidence against someone you know to be town; that sort of behavior is a scum tell to me.

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[QUOTE=Queuing]
Oh man, are you serious? He admits to lieing. He lied on his Mistrust list the first day, about who and why he put on there.
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Further, a misrepresentation. I stated in my first defense of the idea that my mistrust list was accurate of my suspicions, and only stated that my trust list was “largely hogwash” (or for improved comprehension, read “largely random”).

I have now restated my defense of that idea THREE times. I expect you will either actually address my reasoning, or stop misrepresenting what I said.

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[QUOTE=Queuing]

7 -Blaster Master – (queuing, Gadarene, pimaspinner, hocow, pygmy rugger, ArizonaTeach, winston smith)
5 - Pleonast – (Lakia, Kat, suburban plankton, Fernforest, fretfulporcupine)
4 - Queuing – (Zuma, starving but strong, kivvik, pleonast)
3 - PygmyRunner – (madtheswine, menecchio, glee)
3 -**Gadarene ** - (smitty, Blaster Master, Nesta)
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Did **FCoD ** unvote Pygmy Rugger and I missed it?

Because I would believe it…but I don’t see where it happened.

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Ok, here are what the other people have said about Blaster Master.

Here is a post 626 where he plays semantics with words.

Here is a post 766 from Rysto, also outlining some of the things he has done.

Here is post 771 and post 779 from Kat, accusing him of lieing.

Here is another post 713 from Kat, about BM’s lieing.

Here is Aguecheek in post 731 talking about how he pointed out CaerieD to be killed. Which we all know she was.

Kat again, post 670 about his fake list of mistrusts.

More from Kat, in post 630 again all about his odd lists.

Look, this time its Rysto in post 650

1057

Jesus, people. Can’t fucking lynch somebody already and get this goddamned game moving again?!?

Is this some bizarro version of the game in which we die of old age instead of getting lynched? My analysis of MadTheSwine’s proddings against me is that he’s trying to provoke me into doing something stupid and amusing. I’m almost there. Please, please, please can get on with it?!?

Love,

Winston

:slight_smile:

1058

Hmm, no I think I made a mistake there. Oops, these lists are getting very hard to keep straight.

Blaster Master that would be true. If this was you know real life. It is not however. It is a game. A game of little information and trust.

I have also stated that its possible, maybe even likely, that the crumb was Menecchio. However you seem to think it MUST be him. That is impossible to know.

However we seem to be going in circles here. I have stated my reasoning many times. You have stated your reasoning many times. I don’t think, without any more information that is not forthcoming (despite your dire threat of it being a GRAVE mistake for the town, and attempted sly comments suggesting you are a power role) that anything different can be said here. I think you are scum, you think I am scum. I will not drop “sly” hints at being a power role, as I am not one, I will not false claim in hopes of living another day and drawing out the real role. I am not mafia. I am town, just vanilla citizenry.

You can attempt to call me dumb without saying so, you can attempt to call me stupid and illogical without saying so. I don’t care, continue with your name calling, a pattern you have followed throughout the game.
It would be funny if we were both wrong.

1059

[QUOTE=Winston Smith]
Jesus, people. Can’t fucking lynch somebody already and get this goddamned game moving again?!?
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I’d be happy to vote for anyone on my mistrust list, but apparently the votes are headed for myself and Blaster Master, who I’m inclined to trust. So pardon me for not switching my vote. :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=Pleonast]
I’d be happy to vote for anyone on my mistrust list, but apparently the votes are headed for myself and Blaster Master, who I’m inclined to trust. So pardon me for not switching my vote. :slight_smile:
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Where’s your sense of teamwork? :dubious: