Also, what’s the reasoning for lynching Queuing in particular? Can someone spell it out for me? Or are we all just dazzled by JSexton’s shimmering analysis?
If it makes you feel any better, I’d rather string up JSexton before you, with a side of Autolycus.
Well it looks like I am about to hang. Which is fine, if we just get this damn day over with. I hope you gain a lot of information from my death. I ask that, since sides have been clearly drawn, that the town requests BM kills someone from the other side. In other words, Pleonast or Zuma. This would give the most information. One from each side, you get ti find out who is lieing.
Of course it would be REALLY funny if none of us are, we are all town and just think differently. I submit if that happens we go back to Rysto’s post, and lynch JSexton.
I agree with this as well. In fact, it seems fairly common sense.
For me it was the elaborate and unceasing pursuit of Master Blaster. I posted my reasoning and a couple QUOTEs to back 'em up.
Are you defending him? Trying to disperse suspicion? And what’s wrong with jsexton’s analysis? I happen to agree with him on many points. You’re in the bullpen, and I think it’s making you twitchy.
Good.
I propose we put Queuing over 10 votes, and Blaster Master kills JSexton. I’m willing to back off Gadarene for now and I am willing to off JSexton on the premise that chrisk was pretty suspicious and the near-univeral choice on the beginning of day one. Add to that his mistrust of the vig, and on the possibility that chrisk was scum, which I think is pretty high, having an experienced player in the scum role is dangerous.
Let’s get Queuing over 10 votes and if Blaster Master agrees with me, kill JSexton.
Winston:
Fair enough.
Only in that I don’t see any reason to suspect him (since Blaster Master obviously twigs my radar as well).
Trying to understand. I like understanding things.
JSexton’s “analysis” consisted in large part of his simply airing his gut instincts about various people with little or no elaboration. And, if Blaster Master is the Vigilante, it’s already been proven completely wrong in one major instance. It was hilarious how quickly so many people signed on to what he said, seemingly just because he put it in handy list form and used lots of declaratives. 
I’m not saying he’s wrong about any of it, and I know he’s a Mafia player of some repute, but everyone’s apparently just assuming he’s town…even though some of you were all hot to lynch chrisk before he stepped into the role.
Hell no. I just want this day done with without too much harm to the town. If you lynch me, now or later, you’ll be lynching a vanilla townie. Period. Since no one’s really pointed to anything suspicious that I’ve done, there’s not much more I can say except that this is my first Mafia game, and I’m apparently not very good.
zuma:
I think this is an awful idea. Queuing’s proposal makes by far the most sense: kill him or me and then someone from the bloc we’ve been butting heads with—you, storyteller, glee, or Pleonast. That way we get maximum information. What in the world would be accomplished by killing JSexton? That’s really suspicious to me, actually.
Look: if you accept that there have been two sides roughly drawn up today, then why in the world wouldn’t we kill one from both, if we’re even slightly unsure about Blaster Master’s role-claim? 
I’m good with Blaster Master killing (if he’s able to do so) you, JSexton, or Pleonast at his own discretion. He needs to tell us who it is first tho.
And we’re testing out Blaster Master’s role claim tonight. We’ll have answers tomorrow.
Due respect, zuma, but let’s say Queuing and I get lynched and targeted, respectively, and we both turn out to be town (and I guarantee that at least one of us will). If nobody from your side has been tested as well, you’ve got plausible deniability that Queuing and I were just poor, misguided fools. I don’t buy it. We need something from Column A and something from Column B.
And, along those lines, my next post is going to have some math in it.
I’m prepared to switch votes once Blaster Master announces his target.
There are four people who between them have made about a zillion and one posts “today”. Those people, along with their “primary suspects” are:
Blaster Master: suspecting Gadarene and Queueing
Gadarene: suspecting Blaster Master and Pleonast
Queueing: suspecting Blaster Master and Pleonast
zuma: suspecting JSexton, Gadarene, Queueing, and pimaspinner
So it appears that we have Gadarene and Queuieng on one side, and Blaster Master, zuma, and Pleonast on the other. Blaster Master seems to have saved his skin for today, so who do we take out? At this point, I don’t think we have the evidence needed to make a “quality” choice. It’s only Day 2, people! The amount of concrete evidence we have to go on is still amazingly small; in fact, I believe it amounts to one breadcrumb. Yet half of us (myself included) have already figured out in our own minds who all of the Mafia are, and are now ready to start picking them off one by one, if only everybody else would quit bickering and just get on with it.
The fact is, at least half of us are wrong in our theories. Tonight, if we get lucky we either lynch a Mafia member. Then we pick up on whomever was calling for that person’s head, and go after the rest of their list. If we aren’t lucky, we lynch a citizen. If that happens, we are all screwed. Not just because that puts us down 8 Citizens (most likely) by dawn, but because then we will have no idea who to believe. Were the voters all scum? Or were they just misguided? Maybe the bandwagon was started by scum; maybe it was started by an innocent, then piled on by scum. If we make a wrong choice tonight, then Day 3 is going to make Day 2 look like a picnic.
And upon further reflection, I have decided that it is unlikely that Blaster Master is Mafia; though I still think its 50/50 whether he is the Vigilante or the Serial Killer.
As much as Iwant to see this game move along, I think now that we are going to need every last bit of time between now and Wednesday to make sure we get this right. So for now,
unvote Pleonast.
I need to think.
I don’t think Blaster Master should kill me for one reason. I was the person who defended him against a bs attack on him (which you were a part of) long before he claimed. If Blaster Master is the vig, killing me or anyone on my “side” would be insane. I was the one who stuck my neck out defending him against really shitty reasoning.
I think Blaster Master should decide for himself who was on his side or not. I was the one who proposed that a giant ball of cow crap was being leveled against him with shaky reasoning.
I’ll trust Blaster Master’s decision, as long as he makes it known.
Hey, I’m about to say something totally different: I agree with Gadarene. We should kill one person from each of the “sides” that have been drawn up. This will not give us perfect information, I guess, but it will give us some.
Actually, the fact that Queuing proposed the idea in the first place makes me even more reluctant to cast my vote in his direction; the idea itself seems quite town, even if some of Queuing’s other moves - particularly the relentless obsession with Blaster Master as CaerieD’s crumb - have not.
<sigh>
Once more through the thread, and then I vote.
**Queuing’s ** vote tally is filled with my scum list. Especially now that **glee ** and **FCOD ** have jumped ship like I expected them to do. I don’t believe Blaster Master’s claim, but I am willing to let that situation work itself out. I don’t think that either **Queuing ** or **Gadarene ** are scum. I don’t know about Pleonast, but I am going to put my vote there, and hope for the best.
Vote Pleonast.
Okay. So we started out with 37 players. In NAF’s post #72, he states that there may be as many as 10 Mafia members. For the purposes of this post, let’s assume the worst-case scenario. (Post #72 makes it unclear whether he’s counting the Godfather as one of those 10 or as a separate role, but let’s say 10 for now.)
So if there are 10 Mafia members and 1 Serial Killer (and there’s definitely a Serial Killer), that leaves us with 26 townspeople. 6 townies have now been offed. Which means, going into tonight, there are:
20 citizens
10 Mafia
1 Serial Killer
Let’s assume worst-case again. Say that Blaster Master is the Vigilante, but that he accidentally targets a citizen. Say also that we mistakenly lynch a citizen. Say, of course, that the Mafia also targets a citizen (which is extremely likely; their only other possibility would be the SK). Finally, say that the Serial Killer—who by now must be rubbing his hands with glee (no pun intended) at the prospect of surviving to one of his victory conditions—targets an obvious citizen. That means four more citizens down, and the following count as Day 3 dawns:
16 citizens
10 Mafia
1 Serial Killer
All of a sudden, the Town is in deep, deep trouble…whether or not Blaster Master has accurately role-claimed. Hell, if he hasn’t accurately role-claimed, and if you lynch either Queuing or me and we turn out to be Town, then Town is down to 17 players (assuming the SK can accurately peg a prominent citizen) after tonight. Now, this is my first time playing, but isn’t that starting to cut it very thin indeed?
My point is that if tonight is another bloodbath—as it would be if we don’t hedge our bets and target players from opposite sides of the lines that have been drawn—then it may not matter whether or not Blaster Master is telling the truth; the Town will likely be in too dire straits by then to have a strong chance going forward anyway.
Does any of that make sense?
If Blaster Master trusts me, I think he should kill Jsexton, Gadarene, or anyone he feels was on the mafia bandwagon to lynch him.
I’m telling you right now: lynching Queuing and having Blaster Master target me is an absolutely insane idea…and I suspect it would prove extremely detrimental to the town.
Bolding mine. This reminds me of the riddle: If you have two coins worth 30 cents, and one of them isn’t a nickle, what are the two coins?
A quarter and a nickle. One of them isn’t a nickle, but the other one is.
Assuming that BM is the Vig, and I think we kind of have to at this point, since he wants to off Gadarene and Queueing, Pleonast might be our best choice. That said, I’m still going to hold off on my vote for a bit, although it will be one of those 3, with the implication that BM tells us who he’s going to kill tonight, and if he’s wrong, he’s gone tomorrow.