Uh huh, sure thing there… :dubious:
I’m just agreeing with you.
Ok, the threat against me is high enough and the time is short enough, that I’ll make my defense now.
I’m a Mason. I don’t expect to survive the night, but by claiming I hope to increase the odds the Vig (and maybe the SK) takes out a Mafia.
My actual knowledge is only a little better than the typical townie. And I’m not going to out any of the other Masons (who are apparently playing a better game than me 
), so keep that in mind when reading my opinions.
TRUST LIST
Blaster Master: I was tending to trust before his claim, and I see no reason to target him now. He’ll kill for the town or he’ll die.
glee: takes reasoned approaches. I’m almost certain he’s on the town’s side.
JSexton/chrisk: I took chrisk as a townie who made a few stumbles. JSexton’s analysis looks good, although his accusations against me (bandwagonning? giving tells by listing my suspects?) are silly. The least trusted on my trust list.
Menocchio: I originally thought he was Mafia, but I believe was the breadcrumb given by the Detective. So unless he’s the Godfather (game over if he is), he’s town.
Rysto and storyteller: both good analysis players. Show all the signs of being town.
zuma: seeing through the bandwagons the Mafia have been trying to finish.
MISTRUST LIST
Aguecheek: I haven’t liked his votes or his reasoning.
Autolycus: His posts are impossible for me to interpret. I can’t read patois, so even if he’s giving legit info, I don’t know what they are. He’s not helping me, so on the mistrust list. But the least mistrusted.
Gadarene and Queuing: these are the scum. Bandwagonning me and others. Please, Vig, take out whichever one we don’t lynch.
Suburban Plankton: I’m not liking how he’s voting. I think he’s currently unvoted me, so either he’s a Townie who’s finally stopped being fooled, or he’s a Mafia trying to distance himself from Gadarene and Queuing. Likely the latter.
Thems your breadcrumbs; enjoy the feast.
Wow.
Unvote Pleonast.
Vote Queuing.
Assasinate zuma
Have to say, you didn’t need to do that. I am falling on my sword, and trying to swing things at Zuma. This is what I was hoping to avoid, something such as this. You will find out though, you are wrong.
Plus, dammit people! I never bandwagonned anybody! I drove the damn thing!
Are you at 10 votes yet?
Queuing:
Yes he will, won’t he? (Is it a he, Pleonast?)
Anyway, do we have ten on Queuing now?
assassinate zuma
Fair question. Here’s my thinking:
The town’s best weapon by far is the lynch. A directed nightkill is a distant second. Why? Two reasons. First, a lynch is public and accountable. You gain information from it, starting with the dead person’s alignment, followed by the votes for and against, who started the wagon, who followed it, who deflected it, etc. With a night kill, all you get is alignment. Period.
Now, we’re doing the right thing by making the nightkill a publis discussion, but it still doesn’t have the same accountability as a lynch.
Another part of that issue is that we won’t be able to find out the first lynch’s alignment until we’ve already settled on a target for Blaster. That means that death isn’t maximizing the information available.
The second reason is that it’s in the town’s interest ot have as many days as possible. The shorter the game, the more likely it is to result in a mafia victory. More night kills=a shorter game.
There you go. Directing a nightkiller shortens the game, makes kills based on incomplete info, and doesn’t yield the same informatino as a lynch.
Well, it also assumes that I’m right. I’m certainly not infallible. That’s why I’d rather have a discussion about each of the folks that I called out, and listen to how they defend themselves. I may well change my mind based on their defense and/or claim.
only 9
I’m not sure where you’re going with that claim, Pleonast. But there we have it. We have a day for real masons to out him. If we have a counter claim we string his ass up. If not, more shit to look at tomorrow.
When a man’s falling on his sword, the least I can do is hold it for him.
Unvote Gadarene
Vote Queuing
Assassinate Zuma
hopes like hell this is right
sigh Fine.
unvote Pleonast
vote Queuing
Queuing, I don’t think you’re scum, but I guess this is the only way we’re going to get any answers.
I’ll say this, though: if you’re town, and I’m town, and zuma’s town, and Pleonast is a Mason, and Blaster Master is the Vigilante…then the Mafia are doing a damn fine job hiding themselves and letting the rest of us tear each other to pieces.
No, it was necessary. This “one of column A and one of column B” just does not work in the Town’s best interest at this point. We haven’t killed any scum yet. We can do better, and I believe my trust/mistrust lists are reliable enough to direct the Town’s voting.
And since I hope you get lynched, I say the Vig should assassinate Gadarene. What’s with the zuma vote anyway? It was started by Queuing! Think people!
OK, Queuing, role-claim time. You’re going down and that’s fine by me.
Blaster-master, give us your town-approved choice so they can defend themselves.
That doesn’t address the question. You say you thought about killing Queuing, but went with CaerieD instead. Why did you believe that CaerieD would be killed if you didn’t kill her that night?
No, you are not. You are still saying BM gets a choice. In fact, **Malacandra **said the same thing.
Why the hell would BM get a choice? The only reason to suggest it is because he has made it clear that he wants to kill Gadarene and/or myself while protecting you, Pleonast and himself.
BM does not get a choice, and if I had my way neither would you two. I find it suspicious that Malacandra wants to give BM a choice too.
Therefore once you find out that I am town, hopefully you will lynch:
Zuma (if BM doesn’t kill him)
Pleonast
BM
Storyteller
Malacandra
Sturmhauke
JSexton
Hocow
Autocylus
On preview, JSexton I think most of those people have already defended. I know I certainly have, numerous times, and Pleonast just claimed. You already don’t buy what I say, so I won’t bother saying it again. Pleonast is basically saying he is a mason, true or not. I am not inclined to believe him (unless he didn’t read the whole thread before posting) because it seems so unnecessary. I think we have some more scum here trying to get a mason to come out and say “what the hell are talking about? You aren’t a mason, I am” giving the mob another known target to go after.
Anyway, I am at 9, who will cast the suspicious last vote? To bad you already switched Winston, you could have had the honour of being the final vote in stringing up another townie.
On further preview. Yes it was started by me. Damn it sure appears I like to start this things, huh? Day 1, Sturmhauke, got him to 4 or 5, day 2 MB got him to 9 (I think) and now Zuma. I probably shouldn’t be saying this however. Oh well, it was fun.
I solemnly vow I am town. Thats it, thats my claim.
Pleonast:
Wow, are you wrong about this. The Column A/Column B strategy is the only wise one at the moment.
Can anyone comment on the math in my post at #1217? Specifically, if the Mafia gull us into eliminating two citizens on our own (by lynching and by directing the putative Vigilante into action) and then at least one more citizen gets taken out (either by the SK or the Mafia), are we then in as deep trouble as we would appear to be, even if it means that the scum-scheme is then outed?
And here we have another person, from the other side of the debate, wanting to silence all who question him and his buddies.
11- Queuing - (kivvik, StarvingButStrong, zuma, Pleonast, brewha, glee, Winston Smith, FCoD, Pygmy Rugger, Malacandra, Gadarene)
5- Gadarene- (Smitty, Blaster Master, nesta, ArizonaTeach, sturmhauke)
4- Pleonast - (Fern Forest, Fretful Porpentine, Kat, pimaspinner)
2- Blaster Master - (hocow, Lakai)
2- Pygmy Rugger - (MTS, Menocchio)
1- Zuma - (Queuing)
1- Menocchio - (Autolycus)
Malacandra’s 10th vote was at 8:29 am my time. So 8:29PM **Queuing ** dies unless there is some unvoting.
Your shit is stinking to high heaven, JSexton. We’re going to have a boatload of new information tomorrow, and we need the vig. If you end up dead tonight I’ll be pleased.