Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

The Game Room
1261

Not meaning to complicate things unnecessarily, but I think this would be a good idea: settle on TWO targets for Blaster Master, depending on what is revealed upon the lynching. (Since we aren’t allowed to strategize AFTER the hanging, we must think ahead.)

Among the ‘Big Three’, we seem to agree that Queuing/Gadarene are on the same side, and Pleonast on the other.

Queuing suggests we kill one from each side for maximum info and to insure at least one mafia kill.

I propose this instead:

  1. We hang one of the duo (that is, Queuing or Gadarene.)

  2. We use a conditional assignment for the target for BlasterMaster as follows:

a) IF NAF reveals that the person we hung was Mafia then BM kills his ‘partner’. (IOW, if we kill Queuing, and he is in fact scum, BM kills Gadarene. Or flop Gadarene/Queuing in the roles.)

b) IF NAF reveals that the person we hung was town then BM kills the odd one out, that is, Peoonast.
If A is the case, we likely get TWO dead mafia. (And maybe the SK/VIG can make it three.)

At worst, we get Case B, which is effectively identical to what Queuing suggested, and we get at least one Mafia and a bunch of info.
How’s that for a plan?

(And now I must run off. See you all in 10 hours.)

1262

[QUOTE=Queuing]
Well it looks like I am about to hang. Which is fine, if we just get this damn day over with. I hope you gain a lot of information from my death. I ask that, since sides have been clearly drawn, that the town requests BM kills someone from the other side. In other words, Pleonast or Zuma. This would give the most information. One from each side, you get ti find out who is lieing.

Of course it would be REALLY funny if none of us are, we are all town and just think differently. I submit if that happens we go back to Rysto’s post, and lynch JSexton.
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This seems like more of a town attitude than that of mafia. It shakes my confidence of Queuing’s scumminess. At least his death should tell us something about alliances, I just hope he’s the right choice to hang.

As for BM, I’ve re-read this thread and his posts are consistent with that of a Vig. If I were the Vig, I would try to get people talk as much as possible to flush out the SK. I’m not saying that I 100% believe him, I’m just saying that I haven’t found any holes in his story. I guess tomorrow will be revealing.

1263

[QUOTE=Queuing]

BM does not get a choice, and if I had my way neither would you two. I find it suspicious that Malacandra wants to give BM a choice too.

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Sorry, did I say that? I’m having trouble keeping up here. Obviously the Vig should do as he’s told, not as he likes. I thought I was implicitly endorsing that by oranging Zuma above. Personally I value my life at a straw, but who wants to weaken the town voting bloc more?

1264

Replace Pleonast with “Pleonast or zuma” and I like it just fine. Just be aware that whether or not Queuing is scum, you’ll be killing a citizen if you target me.

1265

[QUOTE=JSexton]
Another part of that issue is that we won’t be able to find out the first lynch’s alignment until we’ve already settled on a target for Blaster. That means that death isn’t maximizing the information available.
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This is a good point, and I have a suggestion on that front, but first, my vote.

I am all but completely convinced that Queuing is a townie. I was very suspicious of him (him?) for some time, but his statements in the last few pages are so pro-town in so many ways that I can no longer maintain that suspicion. Still, I won’t throw my vote in his direction.

Gadarene has done nothing to dispell my suspicions from earlier in the game, but nothing in particular to exacerbate them, either. I’d honestly prefer to consider candidates outside of these three (Gadarene, Pleonast, Queuing), but the town as a whole seems to feel that sticking with these three candidates is a good idea. In light of my near-certainty regarding Queuing’s alignment and Pleonast’s recent role claim, I will somewhat reluctantly

vote Gadarene

Now, my suggestion. JSexton’s point above is well-taken; we cannot direct BlasterMaster in his night kill planning after we’ve learned the alignment of whoever we plan to lynch. However, we know that whoever we lynch can be only one of four things: (1) Mafia; (2) the SK; (3) a townie of some stripe; or (4) the vigilante. Of course, if our lynch target turns out to be the vigilante, then directing Blaster Master will be pointless; he’ll be our lynch tomorrow.

For any other case, though, what I think we *could * do is create a conditional direction for Blaster Master prior to finalizing our lynch selection. That is, say we settle on lynching Queuing, as seems most likely right now. Once we’ve settled that, but before our 12 hours are up, could we not say to Blaster Master, “if Queuing turns out to be town, then assassinate X, but if he’s scum, assassinate Y?” I haven’t perhaps thought through this idea as carefully as I should, but I wanted to get it out there for comment before it got too late in the Day. Thoughts?

1266

[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong]
Not meaning to complicate things unnecessarily, but I think this would be a good idea: settle on TWO targets for Blaster Master, depending on what is revealed upon the lynching. (Since we aren’t allowed to strategize AFTER the hanging, we must think ahead.)

Among the ‘Big Three’, we seem to agree that Queuing/Gadarene are on the same side, and Pleonast on the other.

Queuing suggests we kill one from each side for maximum info and to insure at least one mafia kill.

I propose this instead:

  1. We hang one of the duo (that is, Queuing or Gadarene.)

  2. We use a conditional assignment for the target for BlasterMaster as follows:

a) IF NAF reveals that the person we hung was Mafia then BM kills his ‘partner’. (IOW, if we kill Queuing, and he is in fact scum, BM kills Gadarene. Or flop Gadarene/Queuing in the roles.)

b) IF NAF reveals that the person we hung was town then BM kills the odd one out, that is, Peoonast.
If A is the case, we likely get TWO dead mafia. (And maybe the SK/VIG can make it three.)

At worst, we get Case B, which is effectively identical to what Queuing suggested, and we get at least one Mafia and a bunch of info.
How’s that for a plan?

(And now I must run off. See you all in 10 hours.)
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Sounds good. We need a conditional instruction for the Vig if we want to cover this kind of situation, because night starts as soon as the lynching goes off.

1267

[QUOTE=zuma]
JSexton, I strongly disagree with your point about getting rid of the vig (or, by extension, SK) at this point. The town is down 6, and mafia is down 0. Things are going to be a lot clearer tomorrow, and keeping the vig alive, even though the serial killer needs to eventually die, seems important.
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I’ve addressed why I consider the lynch to be vastly superior to a vig or directed SK. I’ve seen games that the town had in hand slip away because of poor vigging. The role is only slightly better than a vanilla townie, and can often be a huge liability. I mean, the vig, whoever it is, has killed at least one town and possibly two already.

Can’t argue with you there. As I was skimming the thread before I came in, I had chrisk as leaning scum. I cannot defend any of his previous play.

True. Of course, I’d be good to have on your side as town.

I’d expect nothing less. There will be plenty of content from me to analyze.

1268

[QUOTE=StarvingButStrong]
Not meaning to complicate things unnecessarily, but I think this would be a good idea: settle on TWO targets for Blaster Master, depending on what is revealed upon the lynching. (Since we aren’t allowed to strategize AFTER the hanging, we must think ahead.)

Among the ‘Big Three’, we seem to agree that Queuing/Gadarene are on the same side, and Pleonast on the other.

Queuing suggests we kill one from each side for maximum info and to insure at least one mafia kill.

I propose this instead:

  1. We hang one of the duo (that is, Queuing or Gadarene.)

  2. We use a conditional assignment for the target for BlasterMaster as follows:

a) IF NAF reveals that the person we hung was Mafia then BM kills his ‘partner’. (IOW, if we kill Queuing, and he is in fact scum, BM kills Gadarene. Or flop Gadarene/Queuing in the roles.)

b) IF NAF reveals that the person we hung was town then BM kills the odd one out, that is, Peoonast.
If A is the case, we likely get TWO dead mafia. (And maybe the SK/VIG can make it three.)

At worst, we get Case B, which is effectively identical to what Queuing suggested, and we get at least one Mafia and a bunch of info.
How’s that for a plan?

(And now I must run off. See you all in 10 hours.)
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This sounds like a good plan to me. I think we’ll maximize our chances of killing Mafia by doing this. Unless of course, all three of them are town, but I just can’t believe that’s possible.

So, Blaster Master, please to be killing as outlined above.

–FCOD

1269

I think it’s perfectly possible. Unlikely, but perfectly possible.

1270

[QUOTE=storyteller0910]

For any other case, though, what I think we *could * do is create a conditional direction for Blaster Master prior to finalizing our lynch selection. That is, say we settle on lynching Queuing, as seems most likely right now. Once we’ve settled that, but before our 12 hours are up, could we not say to Blaster Master, “if Queuing turns out to be town, then assassinate X, but if he’s scum, assassinate Y?” I haven’t perhaps thought through this idea as carefully as I should, but I wanted to get it out there for comment before it got too late in the Day. Thoughts?
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It’s a good theory. The trouble is getting a consensus. Keep in mind that there are several people among us who know Queuing’s alignment already. Those people can use that knowledge to manipulate the conditional statement to be certain that a townie gets killed during the night.

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[QUOTE=Gadarene]
I think it’s perfectly possible. Unlikely, but perfectly possible.
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Which is, of course, exactly what a mobster would say in this situation :stuck_out_tongue:

–FCOD

1272

[QUOTE=Gadarene]
Replace Pleonast with “Pleonast or zuma” and I like it just fine. Just be aware that whether or not Queuing is scum, you’ll be killing a citizen if you target me.
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Just vote for me. Pleonast claimed and he’ll be outed soon enough if he’s full of it. Then we can get together and hug when we string his ass up.

1273

zuma:

Good, I agree. My preference would be for Blaster Master (if he is the Vig) to target me if Queuing is scum, and you if Queuing is town. With everyone keeping in mind that Pleonast has just role-claimed a completely falsifiable position.

FCOD:

shrug I dunno, maybe. In light of Pleonast’s role-claim, I have to at least consider the possibility that I’m wrong about him (him?). And I’ve already stated that I don’t know for sure that Queuing is town, although it would surprise me if he wasn’t. And I’m, y’know, damn well positive that if I get targeted, you’ll all get to see my vanilla-white underbelly, just as I’ve claimed for the last ten-odd pages.

Like I said, it’s possible the Mafia’s just lying relatively low and letting us all do their dirty work for them in the name of paranoia and snap judgments. If so, they must think this is hilarious. It’s just like The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. If The Treasure of the Sierra Madre had mobsters snickering from the wings.

1274

Is it really a good idea to let Queuing make a martyr of himself? Townies are already dropping like flys and it seems that Queuing is willing to get himself lynched just to move the game along. Unless, of course, it’s mafia that is casting the doubt and they are working together.

I think that we should lynch someone with less of a compelling arguement. I hate that I’m doing all this flip-flopping, but I can’t be a part of this lynching. Queuing will still have 10 votes without me, but this gives others a chance to back out.

Unvote Queuing

1275

Just in case of a tie, or something, and then that is how BM chooses and tries to convince people that it was all he could do, I am going to:

unvote Zuma

Lynch Pleonast

And reiterate my desire to see Zuma assassinated.

The assassination count is as follows:

4 Zuma - (Queuing, Pygmy, Gadarene, Malacandra)
1 Gadarene - (Pleonast)

On preview, those are good ideas. And rather simple to solve. If I turn out to scum, BM kill Gadarene. As I am town, then just go ahead and kill Zuma. That way we don’t interfere in any role claims.

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[QUOTE=Pleonast]
What’s with the zuma vote anyway? It was started by Queuing! Think people!
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The assasinate zuma vote? It’s the Column A/B thing.

If Queuing is, in fact, town, it’s either you (Pleonast) or zuma. If it turns out he’s scum, Gadarene gets it.

If this doesn’t happen, we get BM tomorrow morning.

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[QUOTE=brewha]
Is it really a good idea to let Queuing make a martyr of himself? Townies are already dropping like flys and it seems that Queuing is willing to get himself lynched just to move the game along. Unless, of course, it’s mafia that is casting the doubt and they are working together.

I think that we should lynch someone with less of a compelling arguement. I hate that I’m doing all this flip-flopping, but I can’t be a part of this lynching. Queuing will still have 10 votes without me, but this gives others a chance to back out.

Unvote Queuing
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We have a deadline for noon tomorrow pacific.

Let him make a martyr of himself. He needs to claim and we need to move on the the BM target.

1278

zuma:

He claimed already.

1279

[QUOTE=zuma]
We have a deadline for noon tomorrow pacific.

Let him make a martyr of himself. He needs to claim and we need to move on the the BM target.
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I don’t see any compelling reason we shouldn’t direct BM to do anything other than my post directly above yours.

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[QUOTE=Gadarene]
zuma:
He claimed already.
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I must have missed it. What did he claim?