I’ve had **CometoTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies ** on my list for a few days now. Mostly on the basis of voting record, but also just a general sense based on tone and post content. That’s where my vote lies right now. Vote CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies.
Yeah, I agree with Mr. Parker here. Let’s lynch cometothedarksidewehavecookies.
Alrighty then. I have no card to play nor role to claim other than what has already been said. I’m a vanilla townie with no special skillz and I’ve rationalized every statement and decision I’ve ever made (even the wrong ones) to the best of my ability. See all previous posts for plenty of reasons why I shouldn’t be voted for, though it is becoming increasingly apparent that for some, only my death will provide any value and vindication.
I’m going to vote MadtheSwine.
I’m not confident about it. Cookies, unfinished symphony, and dnooman were my other choices.
I didn’t mean she wasn’t the most likely suspect. Basically what I did at that point was to split up my notes into 2 categories: votes and non-vote related comments/behavior. Looking purely at the voting record, jsgoddess had zero for however many votes we’ve taken. Looking purely at non-vote comments/behavior, she didn’t have a lot of suspicious activity in that vein–the only real black mark against her there is the repetition of the fact that she hasn’t voted for any wolves. Whether the people who do have more “suspicious” non-vote comments/activity are more, less, or equally likely suspects than someone who hasn’t hit any Wolves yet isn’t really measurable.
My next choice down the list is Cometothedarksidewehavecookies, based on the comments posted implying that the Menocchio voting on Day One was werewolf strategy…but there’s no way to know if her comments were intended to save the Alpha Wolf or just to slow down what she thought was an out-of-control bandwagon, especially since Cookies also defended jsgoddes at one point as well. Although it is interesting to note that Rysto was the one who shot down that suggestion…
You know, MtS’s pursual of WS just doesn’t seem right to me, retrospectively. I know I voted for him then too, but something seems fishy. vote MadtheSwine
After (painfully) re-reading again, I’m voting for MadTheSwine. There are numerous times when our statements and strategy have been polar opposites, and the opposite of Town is Wolf.
How long until this day ends again? I was trying to re-re-re-re-re-re-read the thread, but my head hurts now, and I want to know if I have time to do it later.
Tomorrow at 6:00pm my time.
Er… what time is it right now, your time?
Sorry. It’s coming up to about half past 1am. So you’ve got about 16 hours, 30 minutes.
As a totally “out of game” personal observation…
I have to say that normally I surf and read and post at The Dope quite often, but with the new job and moving, this is the only thread I’ve been really putting any time into on The Dope for some time now, and I just have to say that it is very entertaining. Between this and CSI episodes from iTunes, going to see 300 on opening night, and y’all, it is basically a snapshot of all of my primary sources of entertainment.
Vote for ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies.
I’m cutting and pasting my list below. I did this for my 4 highest suspects, and I’m going to do a separate post for each of them (since they’re pretty long) in case the notes I took are helpful to someone else. (Why 4? Because my head hurts too much to do a 5th.) Each list includes votes, suspicions/accusations, defense/support, other and suspicious or mitigating comments. If any of the stats are wrong, I apologize. By Day Three, I was already losing track of days and reversing the “Voted for:” and “Voted for by:” fields. All the comments are copied and pasted from the board, so those are all correct.
Cookies
Voted for: Enginerd Day One, Ogre Day Two, Winston Smith Day Four
Voted for by: Richard Parker, Enginerd Day Five
Accused/suspected: Winston Smith, Day Four
Accused/suspected by: Menocchio Day One, unfinished symphony, Rubystreak, Enginerd, Suburban Plankton Day Two, Richard Parker Day Three, Richard Parker Day Four, Richard Parker Enginerd, Suburban Plankton, Kat, jsgoddess Day Five
Defended/supported: jsgoddess Day One
Defended/supported by:
Other:
Comment: An interesting Werewolf approach might be to only really vote late in the first day, despite who any of their previous votes may or may not have been for, once they’re more certain that their collective votes have a decent chance of swaying things one way or another.
I guess what I’m trying to say is…I shan’t be jumping on the Menocchio bandwagon.
Comment (response to Rysto’s post that it would be bad strategy): But they could make an early move in this first round and not risk being exposed until later. Even more of a win in their column if they happen to get lukcy and get someone like The Seer eliminated.
Comment (after being misquoted as defending OAOW): Um…I “stand up” for Wanderers where? Exactly? I’m quoted in Enginerd’s post about Wanderers, but that doesn’t make me implicit in any anything said in his post.
So misplaced, it never actually existed.
And about Mennochio…watching a bandwagon go by and not getting on it, while rationalizing that action with general strategy on the random first day, is a bit different than passionately defending Mennochio’s honor. The timing of that particular WAG sucked, as he was rightfully lynched shortly thereafter. Which is what prompted my post that no one has responded to yet.
Comment: I am actually quite surprised at how many vote changes have been prompted by Wanderer’s claim, and I don’t think the scenarios involving how the valid (as opposed to alleged) Mason’s could or could not confirm or deny his claim (or how invalid Mason’s could stir up trouble) are being though out thoroughly.
Now I’m not saying that I have have decided that Wanderers is lying, or that he’s telling the truth, I’m just being cautious.
Comment: I found the high volume exchanges with Rubystreak to be interesting, but it is difficult to distinguish between loquaciousness and implementation of strategy.
As I’ve posted previously (in defense of myself and all of the other folks who were taking stabs in the dark on the first day) despite the outcome of lynching the Alpha Wolf, I think that reading too much into what was said or done on the first day has a high probability of being a bad idea, statistically speaking.
Comment: I keep coming back to the question of OaOWanderer’s alleged Mason status…
We of the crazed mob with innocent blood on our hands talked a lot about OaOWanderer in the context of WWW’s desperate role-claim. Is everyone truly comfortable with OaOWanderer’s claimed role in absence of anyone stepping up to contradict him?
Comment: And I am still curious as to the consensus (or lack thereof) vibe on the whole OaOWanderers Mason thing…
Comment: This interpretation of Ogre and Enginerd is the weakest link in this reasoning, imho. As I’ve said many times, the odds of any solid evidence coming out of the Day 1 lynching of Menocchio are slim at best. Some early votes for the Alpha by other wolves is a strategy that could have worked as a smokescreen had we not gotten lucky and voted Menocchio into the noose that day. Changing such a vote in an attempt to spare the Alpha as the other votes came in would have risked exposure and suspicion.
That is not to say that Ogre or Enginerd actually did such a thing, just that it is possible, with my usual “Don’t trust Day 1” boilerplate. My Day 1 vote for Enginerd was a totally baseless WAG aside from him just having been quiet.
I say all of this mostly because jsgoddess and I were both in a similarly vulnerable position after Menocchio’s lynching, yet she’s now being vouched for (a Good Thingtm) while I’m still being put in various people’s FOS pool (a Bad Thingtm). The less people there are in that pool with me (the only un-Seen Town I’m 100% sure of with OaOW as a close 2nd, but I don’t forsee many votes for him in the future) the greater the odds that another innocent Townie, me, gets the hook.
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
I picked MadtheSwine as my 2nd suspect because other people are voting for him. Other than the pursuit of Winston Smith, I might have had Mad on my “possible Townie” list, based on his posts.
MadtheSwine
Voted for: JSexton Day One. OAOW, Winston Smith Day Two, Winston Smith Day Three, Winston Smith Day Four, jsgoddess Day Five
Voted for by: Winston Smith, Day Three, Winston Smith Day Four, jsgoddess, Captain Carrot, Cookies Day Five
Accused/suspected: Winston Smith, Rubystreak, Cookies, jsgoddess, Rubystreak Day Three, sturmhauke, Kat, Suburban Plankton (for single-minded pursuit of WS) Day Five
Accused/suspected by: jsgoddess, Rubystreak Day One, Winston Smith Day Three, Suburban Plankton Day Four, Richard Parker, Enginerd Suburban Plankton Day Five
Defended/supported: JSexton Day Two, OAOW, dnooman, Captain Carrot Day Three
Defended/supported by: Suburban Plankton (on premise that single-minded pursuit of WS may be too suspicious for a wolf) Day Five
Other: Confused Suburban Plankton with his about-face of JSexton b/t Day One and Day Two
Supported shorter days
Comment: Seems like BS that the third person to post is a werewolf(something you made up) and unless you can show me that cite I will keep my vote the same.I’m not a gamblin man, but I’d bet the farm you are a werewolf.
Comment: gosh, this is confusing… yes, everyone firing off votes can lead to bandwagon accusations and the like, but seeing as how successful the menocchio bandwagon was, thats maybe not a bad thing. jsexton seems to know his stuff, and while that in itself is a tad suspicious, would a wolf have been the one to first raise the alarm on the Alpha yesterday?
Cookies on the other hand, just admitted nearly defending Menocchio, but is now standing up for Wanderers
Comment: I realize Werewolves are gonna vote for each to be deceptive and may have done so already,but to call out the Alpha wolf seems an awful bold(and stupid) strategy.
Comment: I don’t think the Seer was able to use his power the first day, was he?Frankly,I’m surprised at all the Jsexton suspicions.Granted, I pointed a finger at him early on,but he has convinced me otherwise.
Comment: I thought the reason was very apparent.I voted to lynch the guy that sniffed out a werewolf.I called his reasoning “BS” and “made up”.Turns out it wasn’t.So for that, he gets my trust.Sorry for the confusion.
Comment: A warning to the other wolves to stay silent?
Vote Winston Smith
Comment: I am also concerned about Come ToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies’ post about wondering if Jsexton was a vanilla or not.Who else would care except a wolf?
jsgoddess was quick to point out (twice) that she was to stupid to vote for Menochio
Comment: What good is keeping your suspicions silent? If you are on to someone, let us know.I understand that if you put the FOS on someone and you are correct you are likely to be eaten,but they may eat you anyway.At least lay one of Jsextons breadcrumbs for us.
Comment: What suspicion? I would hope I am so far from suspicion this shouldn’t even be an issue. If you are just going to throw out a vote because someone voted for you it seems like a wasted vote(and even more suspicious) if you really aren’t a wolf you would make your vote more meaningful…like voting for Rubystreak …but you don’t wanna do that do you?.
I am very confident in my vote for Wereston Smith tho I really wouldn’t mind seeing Rubystreak swinging either.
unfinished symphony got to be #3 for being one of the ones who hasn’t hit on a wolf yet, combined with the lack of posts. No, not because it was easier to do someone who posted less, but because of the whole “lurking gives us less info to analyze your role” situation, which throws a bit more suspicion her way.
unfinished symphony
Voted for: OAOW, moonstarssun Day Two
Voted for by: hocow, Rubystreak Day One (as smiling bandit)
Accused/suspected: Cookies, JSexton (twice, once in same post as “defense”), OAOW, Richard Parker, Enginerd Day Two, Rubystreak Day Three
Accused/suspected by: jsgoddess Day Five
Defended/supported: JSexton (in same post as “accusation”) Day Two
Defended/supported by
Other:
Comment: Carrot and dnooman raised a good point. I guess it depends on whether Mr Sexton is a team player, or out to secure his own safety. I’d already been wondering about Wanderers from reading day one. And Richard’s protests of innocence don’t sit right with me. I also have my eye on Enginerd… Actually, i don’t trust anyone yet,but if i think any more my brain will trickle out my ears.
Comment: One and Only Wanderers because a. I’m suspicious and b. The out come will influence my view of JSexton…
Comment: it’s not the same without jsexton is it? I was a bit suspicious of him, taking the lead and trying to seem so obviously town… But that was cos he was town, and a usefully experienced player. i could see where Suburban plankton was coming from, but decided to wait and see what developed. RIP
anyway, i think today Rubystreak has been very over defensive for someone who doesn’t want the game to be ‘personal’. I can see where she’s coming from, as it is important to get people talking (again, sorry. Hope to participate properly now), but it isn’t the only voting criteria.
Comment: i still think Wanderers is a mason. i don’t believe there was any more to winston’s claims than just desperate self preservation tut.
Captain Carrot got picked as #4, even though he hit a Wolf, because of his tendency to bandwagon. Even his Menocchio vote was a bandwagon, so it could have just been a clever move to cover himself if he had decided that Mencchio was done for. Plus, like unfinished symphony, he didn’t post many substantial posts.
Captain Carrot
Voted for: OAOW, Menocchio Day One, JSexton, moonstarsun Day Two, Winston Smith Day Four
Voted for by: OAOW Day One
Accused/suspected:
Accused/suspected by: Rubystreak, Miller Day Two, Rubystreak, sturmhauke Day Three, jsgoddess Day Four
Defended/supported:
Defended/supported by: Suburban Plankton Day Two, Richard Parker Day Five
Other: Bandwagon votes
Comment: jsgoddess, I hate to point this out, but Menocchio’s lynching and subsequent unveiling does nothing to prove you innocent. He jumped on the bandwagon started by JSexton, true, but that doesn’t mean he knew you weren’t a Werewolf. If you were lynched and revealed as a Werewolf, it looks like Menocchio can’t be one, simply because why would a Werewolf vote to lynch another Werewolf? And if you were lynched and not a Werewolf, well, so what? The townspeople always lynch some non-Werewolves, else there would be no game.
I’m not saying you are a Werewolf, just that we don’t know that you aren’t.
Comment (response to Jsexton’s urge to vote for suspicious people): That just means that everybody is vulnerable to various accusations of jumping on the bandwagon, pointing fingers, etc. Talk a lot, yes. Vote, not as much. Mind you, we need votes, but that’s not the only way to spur discussion.
Comment (response to MadtheSwine’s defense of Jsexton): Not necessarily. A Werewolf could try to lynch another Werewolf to get exactly that reaction. I’m not saying JSexton is a Werewolf, just that what you say doesn’t make him not one.
Comment: And we’ve seen that JSexton is quite skilled, so we wouldn’t think he’d do that.
I don’t think he’s a Werewolf, but I don’t really have any proof for that.
If anyone was wondering, suspect #5 would have been dnooman, had my brain not exploded and leaked out my left ear.
I’m just going to have to bust out my old picket sign from page 2.