Deliberate? I would have deliberately caused the death of a townie if I had not claimed.I was really hoping Cookies was a wolf and if I recall ,you(among others) also had suspected him.Bad luck that he wasn’t.As far as causing the death of the GA,he did that on his own, since he shot off his mouth AFTER the day had ended.He would have likely been safe had he kept quiet,so thats all on him.
OK, I’m getting tired of waiting for **sturmhauke **to check in (what’s he doing on a Wednesday night, anyway?). And at this point, I don’t think it’s going to hurt to put all my cards on the table. So…
Here’s how I see our remaining “townsfolk”:
Richard Parker - According to sturmhauke, Richard is a townie. I’ve been suspicious of him since the beginning, but at this point I’ve got to go with sturmhauke’s word.
Verdict: Town
**Enginerd **- He’s 2 for 4 in the voting so far; he was right on early regarding **Menocchio **and Rubystreak, not so much with Winston Smith and Cookies. Overall, I don’t think he’s given us all that much to go on, but my sense is that he’s OK.
Verdict: Town
**jsgoddess **- Again, sturmhauke says she’s a townie. Her voting record doesn’t look so good, and she’s said a number of other things that don’t sit right, but I guess we need to chalk that up to her skill at playing this game, which are self-admittedly “nonexistent”. Besides, if she’s a wolf, then so are Richard Parker and sturmhauke, and that adds up to about two more werewolves than my count says there should be.
Verdict: Town
Kat: I voted for her on Day 1 based on food preferences, but I really don’t have any strong feelings otherwise. But I have a suspicion that she’s OK
Verdict: Town
**sturmhauke **- Based on his early voting record, I had him pegged as the Seer somewhere around Day 4. It *appears *I was right.
Verdict: Town
Suburban Plankton - I’m town. QED
Verdict: Town
**MadTheSwine **- I voted for him yesterday. Granted, I was away from my computer when he made his claim and didn’t get back until after sundown, so I didn’t have an opportunity to change my vote, but it appears I was right. Either that, or he’s the worst player of this game since…well, since Winston Smith.
Verdict: Wolf
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One And Only Wanderers** - If he’s not a Mason, then the “real” Masons must be working for the other side to have not come forward by now.
Verdict: Town
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unfinished symphony** - We haven’t heard from him/her in a couple of “days”. Rev told us way back that they were having some problems and might not be able to post much, and not to be suspicious because of it. It’s getting harder and harder to keep that in mind.
Verdict: Undecided
**dnooman **- By my count, dnooman has cast 7 different votes in the 4 “days” he has been with us (not counting today). All of them have been for townspeople (assuming OAOW’s status). Something just smells bad here.
Verdict: Wolf
Captain Carrot - He’s laid fairly low, and I don’t have a lot to go on. That being said, I’ve had a bad feeling about him since the beginning, though I can’t really say why. On preview, I see that MTS just voted for him. I don’t know if that means anything or not, but I really don’t think that MTS would want to call attention to another werewolf at this point.
Verdict: Undecided
So, that makes two remaining werewolves: MadTheSwine and dnooman. This would mean we had 4 werewolves to begin with, out of 21 players, which seems about right from what I’ve heard.
Discuss.
This is true. I do not have you very high on my suspicion list, but, if I was going to point out an oddity in one persons voting record, it would be misleading to not mention the same voting behavior of another person.
Tomorrow I’d like to vote either for **Dnooman **or Unfinished Symphony.
He did vote for Rubystreak in post 831.
Hmm, this is only the second time you’ve misrepresented my voting record. Remember Rubystreak? Remember who voted for her? I did, along with you and three other people.
I have voted for MadTheSwine, who you’ve decided is a wolf, and OAOW who we are assuming is a mason. How do you get 7 votes for townies out of that? You don’t, because it’s not true.
dnooman
Voted for: Miller, JSexton, OAOW, hocow Day Two, Rubystreak Day Three, Winston Smith Day Four, MadtheSwine, Cookies Day Five
Voted for by: Suburban Plankton Day One (as Kythereia)
Accused/suspected: OAOW, jsgoddess, Winston Smith Day Two, Richard Parker (“odd feeling”), MadtheSwine, Cookies Day Five
Accused/suspected by: Rubystreak, Rysto Day One (as Kythereia), hocow, Suburban Plankton (for vote-hopping), Winston Smith Day Two, Enginerd, Suburban Plankton, jsgoddess, Kat Day Five
Defended/supported:
Defended/supported by: MadtheSwine Day Three
Other: Posted recaps of votes Day Two, Day Three, Day Four, Day Five
Comment: I did a quick back of the envelope tally of votes made on the first day, and one thing stuck out. Only one person cast official votes (with unvotes in there too) for three separate people. The same person was also the first person to cast an official vote. That person is One And Only Wanderers!
Sounds like someone’s trying really hard to throw us off their scent.
Speaking of which, jsgoddess sure likes to point that finger, but she did show more restraint in the way of voting. Unless my vote counts are off, jsgoddess recieved the same amount of votes as Mennochio, just at different times and with votes being changed.
Comment (to OAOW): Ok, Jsexton votes for you, then a couple posts later you unvote him?
I don’t have any evidence to support him being a wolf, but if he voted for me I might view him a bit more suspiciously. Maybe that’s just me.
Comment: Richard Parker casts the fateful third vote for One And Only Wanderers!
I think that took guts. Breaking the “3rd person to vote for a person is a wolf” thing was something that needed to be done. Unless he is a wolf and is just being clever, but that doesn’t seem to be the case, to me at least.
Do I vote for Miller or OAOW now? I see the merits of voting for either of them, but I’m still not confident about any analysis at this point. I’d hate to back up the lynching of someone we find out to be a fellow townie. So, for the time being my vote stays the same, but I can change it if a consensus is needed.
Comment: I have to say that I echo those sentiments. Something just occured to me, Jsexton seemed to have little reason to choose Mennochio, but I’m starting to think it was a very clever ruse. Jsexton has played before, seems to be leading us with his experience, and is no doubt aware of some very cunning strategies. I think that he voted for Mennochio not to get him lynched, but to get the Seer to investigate him. The Seer, having never investigated anyone, very well might have trusted the advice of Jsexton because of his experience. Mennochio would have appeared to be a townsperson to the Seer (being the Alpha Wolf), and would have been identified as a townie if the Seer were killed and had to leave breadcrumbs. This would make the Alpha Wolf that much more safe, a sound strategy for keeping a fellow werewolf alive.
Comment: The Seer would have used his power that night, had he/she inspected Mennochio because of Jsexton’s accusation, he/she would have been fooled. Maybe I’m way off base, I just think that it’s odd that the main bad guy was called out right away. I don’t think that anyone knew he was a wolf, except his fellow wolves. So why was his name even bought up? If it was luck, it was a one in twenty shot.
Comment: Is such an early role claim unusual? Would it have been better for Wanderers to have taken one for the team in order to shed some light on voting patterns? After all, it would be almost impossible for us to go through the game without lynching an innocent townie. Personally, I have no problems sacrificing myself if it leads to the discovery and lynching of a werewolf. Alive or dead, all members of the winning team get to claim victory.
Comment: You clearly have your head up JSexton’s ass, the whole “BossSexton” thing almost seems staged.
JSexton seems relatively legit to me, but, how funny would it be though if one of his wolfie buddies outed him inadvertently?
Comment: Right now, my strategy is to pressure people via votes (the higher number the better) to see how they react. Apart from dead men’s trails, we have little else to go on.
If my voting pattern is making people nervous, good. I hope to make the wolves nervous and/or pissed at me, possibly enough to eat me (but hopefully just enough to make a mistake in a post). If I am lynched or eaten as a result, it doesn’t matter to me, I’ll gladly take one for the team. I just hope it would result in a wolf being outed, or at least making one more obvious.
Comment (to Rubystreak): Voting for the person who has posted the least as a policy, makes it seem that you do not want to be held accountable for your votes. Saying that the poster with the least posts is a werewolf, is neither rational nor logical. Low post counts can be indicative of one being overly cautious, but it can also be due to other factors.
Comment: I have strong suspicions about three people. I think one of them is just about one post away from confirming my suspicion. (Note: didn’t name any of the people)
Comment (about jsgoddess): Whatever her plan was, it seems to have worked. She was voted for by 7 people on day one, then the suspicion shifted to Mennochio. Since then, she went 2 whole days without a single vote. I’m not sure what reasoning or circumstances convinced everyone she’s town, but it has been working.
I doubt she wanted to be accused, it just happened that way.
Comment: Wow, the only living people to not vote for Winston Smith are Hocow and Unfinished Symphony (whom we haven’t heard from much, but IIRC that’s due to some personal issue).
Comment: I’d also like an explanation as to why Richard Parker is being treated as suspicious. I have an odd feeling about him, from looking at my chart mostly, but that’s all.
Comment (to jsgoddess): You voted for Winston Smith on three separate days (one, three, and four).
That’s not a sign of confusion to me.
Comment: A few things about sturmhauke claiming out of the blue strike me as a bit odd (besides the claiming out of the blue part).
You weren’t sure who the angel was protecting? During the day? Only the GA and RT know who is being protected, and that happens at night. You could have outed yourself then and had the GA protect you that night.
You didn’t think it would be a good idea to verify OAOW’s claim by investigating him?
Our odds would have been even better had you not let us lynch Winston.
Everyone in this thread knows that Rubystreak was a wolf, and Winston was a townie. You also claim that Richard Parker and jsgoddess are town also. Odd that you didn’t happen to investigate a mason which could have been verified by two other people. Now, you are basically telling the GA that he has to protect you every night so that we can win the game. Wouldn’t that be hilarious if a wolf got the GA to waste his protection on him for the duration of the game? That would also leave the GA open to being killed overnight, which as you stated:
Isn’t the Seer supposed to leave a trail of breadcrumbs for us to follow once they’ve been killed, all the while keeping a low profile? You said yourself that you only left a “mild defense” of Richard Parker, and we happen to have killed both the other people you investigated, so there’s no trail necessary.
If you’re not the Seer, we’ll surely know after the next night.
*(and several other comments questioning sturmhauke’s role claim)*Comment: I think if he were the GA, he would have claimed by now. So, I’m fairly comfortable with a vote for MadTheSwine
Comment: If we lynch the GA, we are well and truly boned. However this could be a false claim too. We could have sturmhauke investigate him tonight, that way if he’s not the GA, the real GA can stay hidden. This might be the one occasion where it would not be a good idea to counterclaim if he’s not the GA.
Comment: It looks like we have under 3 hours to decide whether to lynch MadTheSwine and take our chances, or lynch Cookies or someone else, and have MadTheSwine investigated tonight.
If he’s not lying and we lynch him, then sturmhauke dies tonight, and we have no more solid information coming in. If he’s lying and we find out he’s a wolf overnight, we lynch him tomorrow without prejudice.
I tend to think he’s lying, but I can’t justify gambling with the most important player in the game’s life right now.
Comment: Are you asking for the GA to out themself if MadTheSwine is lying?!
Assuming the GA counterclaims, we lynch MadTheSwine, and then the remaining wolf or wolves have a %50 chance shot of killing the Seer or the GA tonight. If they kill the GA, the Seer dies the next night, and vice versa.
Does that sound like a good plan to you?
If we have MadTheSwine investigated tonight, we can kill him tomorrow if he’s lying, and the GA gets to stay hidden.
Comment: There is no way she’s the GA. It has been explicitly stated that for us to lynch the GA would be the absolute worst case scenario. She would have fessed up if that were the case. Were she the Seer, she would have said so as well. If she were a mason, she would, or should, have piped up before because we have seen that the wolves are not interested in killing suspected masons. She’s either a townie or a wolf, we’ll know soon enough.
That is correct. I have that noted, and I just plain missed it. But that does not change my thoughts about him.
dnooman is absolutely right! By my count, he only voted for 6 Townies.
Is this based on Suburban Plankton’s fallacious statement about me, or is it something else?
I’ve never done anything that I thought wasn’t in the best interest of the town.
On Day 2, you cast votes for **Miller **(post 357), **JSexton **(post 389), and **hocow **(post 643), in addition to OAOW. You voted for Winston Smith on Day 4 and **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies **on Day 5. That adds up to 6 votes for townspeople. My count of 7 was incorrect, as jsgoddess pointed out a few posts above, but my criticism is still valid. I may be wrong, but I think you’re a wolf.
If votes for townies seem important to you, here is a list of how many votes people have cast for townies
(this assumes that sturmhauke’s post was 100% accurate)
jsgoddess 8
Kat 7
OAOW 7
MadTheSwine 6
** me** 6
You also voted for **JSexton **, as well as Winston Smith. You voted for jsgoddess twice, and sturmhauke says she’s town.
If you think I’m a wolf based on 6 erroneous votes, does that make you 2/3 of a wolf for your 4?
Hey, what happened to the dnooman who said “If I am lynched or eaten as a result, it doesn’t matter to me, I’ll gladly take one for the team.”?
Not counting today, I’ve cast votes for 6 players. They are:
**Kythereia **(now dnooman)
Kat
JSexton
Rubystreak
jsgoddess
Winston Smith
MadTheSwine
They break down like this:
1 Confirmed Wolf (Rubystreak)
2 Confirmed Townies (JSexton, Winston Smith)
1 suspected Wolf (MadTheSwine)
1 suspected Townie (jsgoddess)
2 unknown (Kat, dnooman)
If I’m right about you, that makes me 3 for 6, which ain’t bad.
I’m going to bed. If I wake up and see a post from **sturmhauke **telling us that he has investigated **MadTheSwine **and found him to be a townie, then I quit.
floats through thread on gossamer, but vengeful, wings
WHAT? Are you serious…my plan was brilliant…BRILLIANT…I say …I waited til the final couple hours of the day to make my false claim,hoping the GA wouldn’t be online.That part of the plan worked…sorta …had Ogre kept his mouth shut after the fact.The other part was hoping that Cookies was a wolf…then the seer investigates me(wether its sturmhauke or not) and learns the truth,that I am town. Still seems like a good plan even in hindsight.I know it didn’t work out the right way but,if it would have, I’d be town mayor now.
Well, you’re getting a lot of votes.
snort 
I believe my other quote, which you quoted as well, sums it up best:
If I am lynched, and you see that I’m a townie, what does that gain us?
Lynching townies is more of a serious issue now than it was earlier in the game. The GA is dead. The wolves get to kill someone every night, and now there’s nothing to stop them.
On an unrelated note, Masons, try to not make yourselves too obvious. I’d bet money that I know who all 3 masons are, and I’d hate for the wolves to pick up on it. After the Seer, the Masons are next on the priority list for the wolves.