Well, the easiest thing to do would be to ask.** Zeriel**, why call the “cop” job an town alignment investigator instead of simply cop? It seems odd.
By the way, I’m betting the wolves have a “cop” or some similar power role. I bet they “sniffed” out Ichini’s status.
Hi everybody! And ouch. Too many townies down.
I’m back from out of town and all caught up. I’m sorry that I was wrong about you, Freudian. However, I hope this makes the people who were convinced we were some sort of scum tag-team think twice about all their assumptions.
One thing: rex, you seemed convinced that your earlier idea to this end was wrong – before Freudian was lynched. Why were you so sure before her alignment had been revealed, that you had been wrong?
With regard to our late lamented Ichini, and the Zeriel issue. I’m actually much more inclined to believe Zeriel’s claim with the death of Ichini - that is, with regard to his role, not his alignment. Since ‘Role Cop’ is, at least to me, a lot vaguer than ‘Alignment investigator’, it doesn’t particularly bother me that that is how he described it.
However, the fact that a townie cop role died shortly after Zeriel announced his role is certainly weird. I’m not sure what it means yet, but it is weird.
Since it now appears that the testeriser will not be very good at confirming townies (or at least it will take a long time for us to be confident of its results in any way), I’m currently thinking that we should not rigidly adhere to the lynch-test paradigm. With at least one living alignment cop (probable) we have other possibilities for handling testeriser results.
With regard to suspicions, I have a suggestion. I think too many people are choosing not to say whom they are suspicious of, because that tends to attract negative attention. I think it would be a pro-town move if we all listed, say, our top two suspects at this time, with some sort of explanation as to why we find them suspicious. I’m not saying everyone has to do elaborate multi-quote pages as to why, but some concrete data as to who we are suspicious of would really be good. Why? First, because scum will be forced to lie, and as I have said, outright lies are hard to do well. Second, it would encourage everyone to at least participate minimally, since if we agreed to do it, not participating would be super-scummy. And third, it would help us look beyond the testeriser for this early part of the day, and (probably) prevent an early bandwagon from taking over and allowing people not to take responsibility for votes.
I’m open to being told this is a stupid idea, as long as there’s good reasons behind it, but I think it could be really helpful.
The only good thing about this game so far is the farmers and ranchers are still balanced… if one side becomes stronger than the other it could disrupt the town’s ability to function as a team. But that is not much of a concellation for losing 4 townies, 0 wolves.
One question - why didn’t the wolves target Zeriel, the one player who claimed they had a role? Knocking out special role powers helps the wolves more than an ordinary townie kill. They ended up doing just that with Ichini, RIP, but they couldn’t have known he had powers?
Could they?
I agree with Daphne, for what it’s worth. We need to start slinging mud, and slinging it hard. I have been reasonably vocal with my suspicions, but with a fresh kill on our hands it is time to indulge in some rereading. Will point the finger again soon.
First observations:
FS was acting suspiciously last Day, IMO, but only in her seeming nonchalance about the prospect of being hanged. The attitude of “well, I’m innocent, I want to live, but whatever” was just bizarre. Bizarre, but as it turns out, not scummy.
So, in that spirit, we turn to the very first votes, before she started (again, IMO) acting suspiciously. First, there is -
The “me too” in the first paragraph refers to this post -
If that is "me too"ing, then most of us are guilty of that.
The second paragraph, though, is fair enough - FS expressed little opinion, except for defending Daphne.
Speaking of Daphne…
The post she couldn’t find is 276…
From here it kind of snowballs, FS is tested, FS is lynched.
Is there anything scummy in these votes by fluid and Daphne? I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. Nothing they say is out of the question - FS was posting a lot while saying nothing. I’d say Daphne voting for FS was an overreaction, but she certainly had reason to be suspicious.
Hey, MHaye, you did it AGAIN.
That is, I’ve been trying to be pretty careful to claim neither rancher nor farmer. Where’d you get that I was claimed as a “rancher”?
testerize MHaye.
On the Ichigo issue, I didn’t claim to be an alignment cop because my role PM calls me an “investigator”.
Zeriel, I noticed that too. I thought I’d missed something.
What do you mean he did it again?
Where is everybody?
I’m willing to take this at face value, your role is an investigator but I still don’t think it makes you necessarily town.
I think that listing your suspicions is a fantastic idea, which is why I tried to get it started yesterday. Hope you have better luck that I did. Just to keep people up to date my suspicions haven’t changed they are; Seeker, Daphne, and Telcontar.
I don’t know why Ichini’s death would do anything to strengthen Z’s claim. First of all a know power role was passed over for a kill, secondly town cop and investigator are different roles, both by name and Z’s later claim, so the existence of one does nothing to prove the other.
What Ichini’s death does do is strengthen his list of suspects. Not only because I agree with them but because he could have been providing us with people he has investigated. Listing scum as scum is a good way to get killed. To that end lets see who he suspected.
So FS was probably town and Seeker and Telcontar are scum. We know the first checked out so let’s investigate the second.
Vote Seeker
What is your exact Role title? You can put a star in the place of Farmer/Rancher if you like.
You’re not giving the mafia much credit here. Killing the player who is strongly going after you is a terrible move for the mafia. Also you’re basically listing the top posters, which goes back to Daphne’s point about the apparent safety in not saying much.
OK, that’s at least one person on board. I’d really strongly urge everyone to make their thoughts known. There is pretty much no pro-town reason not to at this point. We are four townies down, which leaves us at (most likely) 10-4 or (again, probably) 5-5-4. This is pretty serious. If we don’t lynch scum today we’ll be in serious trouble.
I didn’t mean to imply that Ichini’s death strengthened Z’s claim to be town, but that now we know that a power role (and a power role of that kind) is in the game, it makes sense that someone else would also have that role.
I agree that Ichini’s death makes his suspicions worthy of more weight, but I don’t think that he could have possibly investigated three people yet… this is only Day Three now, with a Day One start. So I don’t think we can take his list as gospel. There’s a good bet that he found something in there though. I think that between Seeker and Telcontar, Telcontar is the more suspicious. His attacks on me were not convincing nor original; he doesn’t seem to have really looked much at most of the players in the game. His no-lynch idea was anti-town; his attitude seems to be that we should all just listen to him and follow his ideas. Continuing to try to bully people into applying his theories (which, as fluiddruid pointed out, only make sense in a purely random context) on Day Three is not helping and is pretty scummy. It’s possible that he is just a townie who is very confident in his plan and I’d have to agree the way we’ve been playing the game so far is not so good, and his early volunteering to be tested makes me doubt a bit, but he’s my top suspicion at this point.
test Telcontar
I’m sure some people will think this is OMGUS, but his suspicion of me is actually a really small part of my scumdar going off around him.
With regard to whomelse I’m suspicious of, it’s those on whom I have no read at all. Either because they have posted too little or because what they have posted has left no impression. They are (mostly) not lurking exactly, but I’m by no means sure what they think about anything at this point.
I’d be happy to testerise any of these folk as well as Telcontar:
**Jimmy Chitwood
Mahaloth
Elendil’s Heir
**
And to a lesser extent, I also have ??? in my notes next to LemurHaye and [Undecided] Adrian.
To be fair I’m going after the #T1, #5, and #6 posters (based on overall of players) so I’m not exactly just going after the most active. But the problem is that unless we choose to punish people for not posting there really isn’t much to talk about for the non-posters. I don’t think it’s a good thing but there is nothing to do but look at posts so the people who post more with have more to look at.
I understand what your saying but what I’m saying this that I don’t think that Ichini’s and Z’s roles correlate at all one was an investigator that finds farmer/rancher status. The other was a cop who presumably finds town/wolf status. There is a big difference.
You’re right he defiantly didn’t investigate three but if you read his post again what he said was he wasn’t sure of FS but leaned toward town while he was confident of the furriness of the other two. I’d bet he investigated two people and was confident that his result was correct.
Ah, I see. I suppose that there isn’t necessarily a correlation, other than that power roles do apparently exist.
You could be right about that. Oredigger, if you don’t mind, what do you think of the three other folks I listed? Of the lower posters, does anyone stand out as suspicious to you?
Last game I was in with him, he was a scum detective who (whether or not it was an accident had some dispute) also slipped on a similar distinction (saying Hal had claimed Alpha Town when Hal had only claimed vanilla and not an alpha/beta status).
“Investigator *”
As I said, I’m not going to argue this anymore this game. You’re either not paying attention or deliberately misrepresenting my argument and it’s not worth pressing the point. You are, however, wrong that it was an anti-town suggestion.
Well, I’ve finally completed a reread of EH. You might have a point there.
Here is a quick summary of what I’ve found. Total of 18 posts since the game started, 5 of those have been night fluff. Of EH’s two votes (posts #214 and #594) no reasons have been give for those votes and both times he was pressed for information.
After the first vote he was pushed twice about reasons behind his vote. The first reason he gave was he disagreed with lynching and testing the same person and second reason was that he had read posts, had a hunch and trusted certain players that he wouldn’t reveal.
After his second vote he was questioned twice this time he stated that he was unable to vote the lynch part if he wanted to, and then he stated that he stood by his vote after FS’s colors came back screwy.
These 11 posts (5 Night fluff, 6 vote related) make up a majority of his posting. The rest was as follows; a Me Too, stating there are many more town then wolves, welcoming Ichini, stating that only want to state his certainties and claimed farmer, stating that he only claimed farmer because Tel did, backed out of farmer claim and stated that he has hunches.
Basically there are only three posts this entire game by EH that have content and one of those three contradicts another of those. I don’t think that this is enough to build a case on but I think that EH should be watched closely. Thanks Daphne for pointing him out.
Sorry for not posting more, guys. I’m preparing for exams right now, starting next week I should be able to be more active again.
I agree that listing everybody’s suspicions is a good thing. Mine are:
- fluiddruid, for her controversy with lemur on day one. Since nobody has been following that and lemur has been subbed out, I don’t expect to be able to make a case out of it, but I still believe there was something fishy going on and continue to list it in case there is independent evidence coming up.
- telcontar, for his bad idea of waiting with the lynch and his aggressive discussion style. Ichini also implicated him, which of course is a I-know-you-know-I-know situation: the Night kill obviously makes Ichinis targets suspicious, which could mean the wolves cast suspicion on them, but also could mean that they are wolves and want us to think that.
- seeker, for similar reasons, minus the lynch moratorium story.
Another thing: did you guys notice that the colors pedescribe uses for his announcements are different? Could it be that there is a hint for the testerizer buried there?
The announcements for Ichini and Scuba_Ben, both farmers, were blue, Freudian Slit and november, both ranchers, were green.
Of course, since we lynched both the ranchers and the wolves got both the farmers, it could also be for that reason…
Sorry for not posting enough today. I teach and on days like today, I had no chance to sit down and review this thread. I’ve read anything and am prepared to give my suspects, though I am very open to other views.
I suspect:
Telcontar: While he answered questions posed at him yesterDay, I still suspect him. His aggressiveness unsettles me and I find the idea of waiting to lynch to be weak(at best)
Seeker of Truth and Beauty: I’ve had him/her as a suspect for a long time, and Ichini’s death makes me think that she took him out because of his suspicions.
I have more ideas, but am prepared to test either of these. I am not attached to the idea of lynching who we test unless we can understand the testerizer or have other reasons to lynch that person.
For now, I vote:
test Telcontar
If people are dedicated to testing Seeker, I’m fine with that as well and can switch my vote if need be. I just don’t want to forget to vote at all.
I don’t want to get into a ‘scum would never do that’ frame of mind, but doesn’t that seem a bit obvious? Also, why do you say ‘she (Seeker’s a he, btw) took him out’? That seems a weird way to phrase it. We’ve got to remember the scum have the advantage of working together as a team.
Who, of the lower-volume posters, do you (Mahaloth) find most suspicious?
I have no idea why I phrased that in such a weird way. I meant “they” instead of “she” with “they” being the wolves.
I don’t think it seems that obvious for Ichini to be taken out for his comment on Tel and Seeker. If even one of them is a wolf, it seems a smart thing to do.
Of the lower volume posters? I honestly don’t know. How do you evaluate the lower volume posters?