Having reviewed the lower volume posters, I’d actually suggest Zeriel. His/her late yesterDay reveal of being an “investigator” was bizarre. I don’t think I realized just how little he/she had contributed up to that point and to drop a bomb on us like that so late in discussions seemed weird. I thought so at the time, and the odd phrasing of “allignment investigator” or some-such was even weirder.
To be fair, he/she has been against the no-lynch concept, which seems like something wolves would be for. His/her comments in post 306 are the main reason I haven’t tested for him/her to be tested.
Fair enough w/r/t ‘she’. I was just wondering if I was missing something. Why do you see it as a smart move for the wolves to take out someone who was forcefully critical of them? I’m not saying I’d totally rule it out – as ‘scum would never do that’, because scum do sometimes do that.
Well, I don’t know if there’s a great way to evaluate lower-volume posters, other than forcing them to post more or to explain why they haven’t been posting. But even within a few posts, suspicious things can be found. EH’s desire to avoid engaging in controversy, even when doing something that looks odd, for example, looks pretty suspicious on the face of it. I’d really like him to come in and explain, and engage. Having taken no stands at all, never sticking one’s neck out, is pretty suspicious in general, thus my question about lower-volume posters, to one of the lower-volume posters: I was just wondering if you might have an opinion on that.
Interesting. He did explain his ‘disappearance’ though, seems it was OOG-related. Why do people think ‘alignment investigator’ is weird? I don’t see the problem there. Again, I’m not convinced Zeriel is town, but why do people think he is lying about his role? Where would that have come from – what’s the scum motivation? He could certainly be scum – it would be very useful for scum to have the farmer-rancher info (as was pointed out against Oredigger’s mass claim idea). But I think ‘alignment investigator’ as a role makes perfect sense in this game.
For the record: The terms Cop, Investigator and Detective are equivalent. The terms Role and Character are equivalent. The terms Doctor and Healer are equivalent.*
*This is in no way a confirmation of anyone’s role or alignment.
Zeriel means that, for the second time in this calendar year, I asserted that someone made a claim that is … slightly more specific … than they believe they made.
Last time, that brain fade (plus, in the same post, failing to ensure I’d highlighted text I wanted to delete before hitting Ctrl+V) resulted in my being killed.
Well, nearly killed. I was, you see, a demonic stuffed moosehead. I was 20% alive after being killed.
In this game, it’s another brain fade produced (on this occasion) by having been out until 4am on Sunday morning, and writing that post at 10:30pm the following night while fighting to keep my eyelids open.
Of course, I’m writing this while fighting to keep my eyelids open, it being just gone 2am. I probably should get some sleep before trying to read this thread. At this stage, I have no good candidate for throwing into the testerizer, and (after Freudian Slit came up Rancher) I can’t see what the key for the colour code is.
I’ve been reading along today and re-reading previous days’ activity, but I just haven’t had a lot to say so far. I’ve been trying to study the posts by the current “main suspects” - Seeker and Telcontar - and see if I can find anything that stands out to me.
For Seeker, the main thing I noticed was his insistance that the wolves cannot also be ranchers/farmers, which we now know is not true. But he seemed to be adamant about this claim, to the point of calling it “stupid” that they might have dual alignments. This makes me wonder if he knew all along, and was trying (a little too hard) to convince everyone else. I imagine that for the wolves, having farmer/rancher alignments is a good secret to try and keep. If everyone thinks that they cannot have those alignments, then it could seriously mess with the testerizer results…that is, if we knew anything about how the thing works.
With Telcontar, we had that silly no-lynch argument, which does seem to me to be more help to the scum than to us. Other than that, I don’t see anything particularly suspicious about him.
I’m sure at least one of them is scum, but at this point it’s still hard to tell which. As for the lower volume posters, it’s hard to say. I wish they would post a little more too. I also have to agree that I find Elindil’s Heir to be just a bit too non-confrontational. I know he said that he is inexperienced, but so are most of us. That could be a clever ruse to get us to discount the possibility that he could be scum.
I also have to agree that Zeriel claiming his power role the other day was a bit odd. That could easily be a flat out lie. Anyone can just claim to be a townie with a power. So, I’m wondering if the scum didn’t get together and decide to have one of them come in here and claim that to stir things up. It’s hard to tell. Can we get any proof that you actually have this power, Zeriel? Have you investigated anyone so far?
Other than that, I don’t really have any suspicions at the moment. I’m leaning towards testing either Zeriel or Seeker, but I’ll see how things play out over the next day or so.
Well, sometimes they would and should take someone out who has suggested them and Ichini’s mention of them was rather off hand, if I’m remembering correctly. An off hand, casual mention of the wolves may make for an easy and hard-to-trace kill.
Knowing that someone is suspecting them(or one of them) would through up the red flag that may lead to execution.
I find Zeriel’s claim a bit odd both in content and in timing. There was no reason for him to come out then. No advantage to himself, no advantage to the town, no advantage even to his faction. I also find the dramatically different tone of his posting since he came back to be a tad unsettling.
Possibly bad thought: For the last two days we’ve alternated between farmers and ranchers in that the town has always lynched the latter and the wolves have always killed the former. This is convenient for the wolves and it occurs to me that it would be useful for wolves to have a way to determine alignment (to better divide the town). It’s possible that Zeriel has the power he claims but is on the side of the wolves.
Ways of assessing Zeriel’s innocence:
Someone else could come forward claiming to have the exact same power (presumably for the other faction). Given that the power is pretty freaken useless, this wouldn’t cost the town much.
Zeriel could report on his findings. this tells us whether he has a power more than whether he’s on the villager’s side. Also might risk dividing the town (though at this point the wolves are pretty clearly the bigger threat than the farmers/ranchers.
test zeriel
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EH**: EH’s post record is interesting. He’s engaged in the game (hence nighttime posting etc) but hasn’t said anything (hat tip Oredigger77). this could imply that EH is participating in the game, just not in this thread (ie as a wolf). Not sure whether I’m willing to go there yet.
Another thought:
The last thing we want is the wolves to say “well, 2 people have voted for X and 5 more have said they’re willing to, so lets give that a kick.” Statements like “I’ll vote for any of” help the wolves because they could easily be in the position of picking which goes to the block.
Yes, it would be useful for the wolves to know alignment, but then why would they pick off both sides evenly? Keeping both sides balanced keeps the game town vs wolf, but if one side were to outpace the other, the losing side would become more desperate. The town can’t afford to be split along R/F lines, not with so many wolves sniffing around.
Um, we already know that there is another identical power - because that other person just got killed by the wolves. I’m not sure I’m getting your reasoning, and the fact you missed an fairly obvious fact is … disturbing.
What is pedescribe’s post above telling us, btw? “Detective” is one power role that no one has claimed/been identified as. Does this mean that the Farmers have a Role Cop, the Ranchers have an Investigator, and the Wolves have a Detective? (or vice versa for the latter two). It’s too bad Freudian can’t tell us what his PM said. If we think that’s the case, then Zeriel is not in the clear. If we think that only the town has this power, then Zeriel is by default clear.
And is Doctor/Healer present in this game? You experienced types - what does this power (presumably) do? I’m assuming that if it exists in this game it’s powerful enough that a townie won’t call attention to himself by claiming it.
IANA mafia expert, but I think they choose a character every Night. If that person is attacked by wolves, the victim comes off unscathed. Very protown rule and yes, the Doctor and Healer should keep quiet.
Just playing the odds. It seems unlikely that all of the wolves would be quiet lurkers, so I’m betting that at least one of our more vocal players is scum.