Still not buying the theory the MIB and William are the same person. Still if they are, the fact that he is head over heels for Dolores would be a possible explanation. Here he is in love, with what he has come to think of as a real woman. Then the game comes to an end. He has to go back to his job, with people he obviously hates, a fiance who is now second best to a fantasy, and Dolores gets put back into her box so other lovers can unpack her and play with her.
William turns bitter, it drives him to success in business, but he keeps coming back to the park to try to figure out how to game the system, and get the fantasy word he really wanted. He rapes and kills Dolores as revenge on the "woman" who scorned him, and ruined his original fantasy.
Hey, is it any dumber than most of the fan theories out there?
I didn’t get William’s reluctance to have sex with Dolores. He said it was because he was supposed to get married when he returned home. But I get the impression that Westworld is like Las Vegas likes to pretend it is; what happens in Westworld stays in Westworld. And sleeping with hosts isn’t really cheating.
The guy he came with (I forget his name) certainly doesn’t seem to think so, despite being William’s future brother in law. The fact that he won’t cheat on his future wife, even with a fancied up love doll is supposed to both show him as a sympathetic character among the guests, and to show how far he has gone, when he does finally fall to Dolores. He no longer thinks of her as a love robot, but has convinced himself that he is really in love.
MIB or not, this will not end well for poor William.
I’m afraid if I had a ready, willing, and able robot Vampire Queen of Louisiana as my beck and call girl, it might not be so lonely out on that trail. Put a whole new twist on brush poppin’, as it were.
Logan. I think we’re being set up to think that William is the Man in Black, but it’s actually Logan. My guess is Dolores will kill William when she realizes that falling in love with him is part of her “loop” and that William, despite being in love with her, still sees her as part of HIS story, not an independent agent with motivations and goals of her own that don’t involve helping him “discover who he really is.”
I recall him saying something about becoming reacquainted or such. Not knowing MiB yet we had assumed it was rape, but at this point physical rape is not the game MiB plays at. Raping her mind or any possibility of free will? Maybe. Playing with her code to create free will? Mabey. But Dolores was not physically raped by him in there.
RE: the basement room. For the record I’m on board with Bernard=host version of Arnold (or something similar) and the scenes with Bernard/whomever interviewing Dolores was something that happened decades ago. The room being the same, yet Bernard saying he didn’t know it was there seems to support that.
HOWEVER, there’s still some ambiguity in the specific words used. I think when Theresa asks Bernard about the room, he says “it’s a remote diagnostic facility; I didn’t know this one existed” – ie. there might be a dozen rooms just like that around the park that he has been to. So I still wouldn’t call that a smoking gun on any timeline theory.
Not really, they ARE low level workers. All they do is patch up the hosts. The things they were doing (messing with the bird, running a robot sex brothel) would get them immediately fired. They can do nothing about Maeve without alerting higher ups, not shut her down, not put her back to how she was, not destroy her. And at this point the things they’ve already done to cover up are way past “get fired” and closer to “go to jail” territory. They really can’t do anything at this point other than go along with her, if like some posters suggested they turned her into retardbot this would immediately trigger an investigation by higher ups and expose them. If Maeve ends up with someone like Bernard instead of them they are completely fucked, and they only get her if she ends up dead not malfunctioning.
At this point, you’re probably right, but what did she have on them originally? Does she have any evidence (besides “I know men”) that the one guy is running a brothel? How would she present this to anyone in the company?
All they had to say at the beginning was, “Look, bitch, I’m union. The worst that can happen to me is they retrain me. On the other hand, if I tell them your fingernails are too long, they’ll incinerate you and make another one. But I’m nice, so shut up, say your script, and maybe you’ll find a tech dumber than me to try that shit on. Oh, and keep your nails trimmed.” She doesn’t know any better, and what’s she going to do?
She doesn’t need to “present” anything, the second any real malfunction is caught she would end up with Bernard or someone like him and her memory would be examined. I think you are missing the point, the techs are not scared of her or anything she might do, they are scared of the higher ups figuring out something is wrong with her and analyzing her and exposing all their secrets that way. Her threats are not necessary, they already know they are in deep shit just by the fact that she is completely of her rocker and any real investigation completely fucks them. That’s why they can’t simply “dumb her down”, that would lead to someone trying to figure out what her problem is.
But they can smarten her up and expect no one to notice? There may be no good way out of this for them, given that she’s behaving off spec and they’re involved in stuff they don’t want noticed. But they don’t have to make it worse. Their best options, IMO, were 1) Alert higher ups RIGHT AWAY. Don’t even wait for her to start talking. There has to be some kind of emergency button on one of those pads for dangerous behavior. 2) Try to make her someone else’s problem. Do something yourself or convince her to do something that requires a higher level worker or a different department to look at her but wouldn’t lead to memory files being pulled. (They don’t seem to do that regularly anyway.) 3) Have an accident in surgery that would make her unsalvageable, or convince her that the way to meet the real people in charge is to strap a pound of dynamite to her head.
Letting her take control, taking her on a tour of the facility, boosting her IQ to the max–these do not seem like strategies for minimizing damage.
Sure, she’s smart enough to pretend everything is normal now. Alerting the higher ups is the last thing they want to do. Their problem is not “one of the robots is acting wonky”, their problem is all the shit they’ve been covering up that they don’t want to get caught and fired over. She was never their problem, the fact that they covered it up when she walked off because they thought they screwed up, that they’ve been messing with the bird robots on an stolen control pad because they want to be programmers, that they’ve been running an illegal host brothel. Those are the problems, the malfunctioning robot is only a problem because if she is caught everything they’ve been doing comes out.
Oh i have no illusions that this is going to work out well for them, just pointing out that from their perspective letting the higher ups know is the least desirable outcome.
This episode I think benefited by being a bit less all over the place. It had more focus.
Don’t get me wrong, I am enjoying the show and will continue to watch it but the volume of obfuscatory narratives makes it less enjoyable than if it was a little bit all over all at once. A mystery or so is fine. Too many all at once makes for a less enjoyable experience.