A perceptive comment I’ve just seen on reddit concerning the William=MIB theory.
We see the MIB killing Maeve and her daughter. He tells Teddy that up to that point he had never thought of the hosts as alive. And yet William most definitely sees Dolores as alive and even makes a comment to that effect when they’re in Pariah together.
I think this is certainly a pointer towards the fact that William is not the MIB and if it turns out that he is then that’s some sloppy writing by the scripters.
I’m not sure why everyone was on the William = MIB train in the first place. I mean, they’re obviously different actors and people don’t change THAT much with age.
There is a lot I don’t understand about this show so far. Why was the maze embedded in the scalp of some of the hosts, and how did MIB know that it would be? Why is the graphical image of the maze even important, as it becomes increasingly clear that the maze isn’t a real place that exists physically (or is it)?
I’m really liking the show so far but I am deeply concerned I’m getting myself into another Lost situation where the whole plot falls apart in the last couple of seasons.
So who is the blonde chick that MiB says, “It’s You” too? (She later stabs Teddy with the arrow.) I’m having trouble remembering if I’m supposed to have seen her before. Also, is she the same one that smiles at Delores in her flashback?
I hope you’re wrong about this. Consider that the show finished filming a year ago but the renewal didn’t come until a couple of months ago. Surely there must have been some thought that it had to function in a standalone sense.
Reddit seems to think this actress was the same one who played the “greeter” when William arrives at the park. Which I guess does lend credence to the multiple timeline theory.
It’s the same actress that introduces William to the park. The one who helps him pick his clothes and hat.
Now, it could be that she’s just been there a while and also introduced the MiB to the park way back when and now has been reassigned in Ford’s new narrative.
Though, FWIW, that was the first time I started to think maybe William = MiB. Before that I was like, eh… no evidence for that. But now it’s interesting. Also was introduced (through internet searching) to the theory being based on the different Westworld logo theory (when William and Logan enter the park the logo is very different from its current form).
In an interview with Ed Harris on BBC Radio he reveals he’s signed on for the second season of Westworld. Interesting, I’d love to know if Anthony Hopkins has too.
Yes. I was mildly in favor of William = MiB before, but now it seems pretty certain. There’s both this with recognizing the greeter, seemingly from a long time ago, AND his little speech this episode about getting married 30 years ago, when we know William has a fiance.
I don’t remember the specific wording about when he killed Maeve’s daughter not seeing them as human before that, but yeah, that’s some inconsistency in the theory if that’s what he said. Though maybe something happens with Dolores that causes him to think his little emotional episode with her was pretty silly in hindsight, and that he was just being manipulated.
Has William or Logan mentioned the fiance’s name yet? I think MIB said his wife’s name was Jenny.
I would say the scene with the welcoming host pretty much guarantees these are two separate timelines. I’m not 100% on William + MIB yet, but William seems to be going down a darker path.
Is it just me or his hat actually getting darker from the dirt as the show has gone on?
I’d guess that there will be some questions answered, some left dangling, and some more questions raised. Like maybe we’ll get more of an answer to what the maze is, but it will lead to more questions about the park and Arnold.
So Ford has arranged to reveal Theresa’s death, supposedly from a bad fall, and for Bernard to be reinstated. Interesting that there’s no mention (yet) of a police investigation. Either Westworld really is off on a space station, or Delos’s corporate clout is such that there are no cops likely to come sniffing around.
That’s Lee. I think Hale, the young female member of the Delos Board of Directors, probably interceded to keep him from being fired after the drunken-urination incident. He has some narrative-creation skills, despite his annoying Eurotrash ways, and now it looks like she needs him to work on ol’ man Abernathy down in the retired-host crypt.
Nothing I could find online about it. I hope he will, though.
I think it is. He’s not the same guy who first came to the park.
But whenever the William story is taking place is quite a bit after the earliest days of the park, since we saw the town where the hosts were learning to dance buried in 20 feet of dirt. It also still bugs me that Dolores is having this great awakening and visions while with William, but was in her normal rancher’s daughter loop with the MIB. That sort of implies that whatever happens with William has no long-term affect. The William=MIB theory might be correct but I’m far from convinced. I think the strongest evidence for it is the meta-evidence that we don’t know MIB’s name, and there’s probably a storytelling reason for that.
How the hell was Bernard supposed to have killed Elsie, he was with Theresa minutes before she gets taken out.
Well, they did mention the last critical failure was 30 years ago. It could be that Dolores malfunctioned (killed a guest - some speculate that it could even be Logan) and then had her memory wiped because Ford was sentimental for some reason. Of course that seems to be willful ignorance to keep her active if she malfunctioned prior to that in the ‘dancing town’.
Hmm… could the answer (and this would blow up the entire dual narrative theory, of course) be doubles? Dolores did seemingly notice her double in the Spanish town… though it could have been part of a revery. But perhaps some hosts have doubles (would save on some expenses, after all).
Dolores was having flashbacks, there was nothing really there. It does make sense for some park hosts to have doubles, but Bernard?
So, when MiB kills the Lawrence character and then the same character pops up again in the next scene as El Lazo, is that a double or a separate timeline?
So I’ve only watched 6 out of the 8 episodes, but I have to imagine this conversation happening with the accounting department:
“OK, so you’ve put in a request to have the robots carrying on tasks and conversations even when no guests are present.”
“That’s correct. We think it will add to the realism and keep improvisation skills up for when guests stumble upon the scene.”
“Yes, I get that. You’ve rationalized that before. But…I’m curious about these particular line items.”
“Which one?”
“Item 5693.1 - black paint, 1500 gallons.
5693.2 - white paint, 1500 gallons.”
“Oh that. It’s for the 200 hosts participating in a mock Day of the Dead parade.”
“The what parade?”
“The Day of the Dead parade. It takes place right before the orgy.”
“Excuse me?”
“For the hosts.”
“Not the guests?”
“Oh man, that would be unlikely! This is an advanced storyline. Like, 99% of the guests won’t even make it out this far.”
“So hold on…back up. You need a village set up with 200 hosts in black and white facepaint…”
“and gold body paint”
“…and gold body paint. To have a robot sex orgy,”
“Just orgy. Sex orgy is redundant.”
“To have a robot orgy, when 99 times out of 100 nights there aren’t even going to be guests visiting?”
“Well, yeah. But when they do. Bam! Realism.”
“…yeah. I’m beginning to see how this place is hemorrhaging money.”
No, rewatch the episode and you’ll find there’s a scene between their phone call and the scene where she is assailed. Elsie even turns around when she hears a noise and says, “Bernard?”, implying that she would not have been surprised to see him.
Oh, and Bernard in the scene with Theresa after the phone call to Elsie leaves her hurriedly. He could well be hurrying to Elsie.