Context matters, including historical context. Calling a black person a monkey has a long historical context with what I’ll call ‘implemented’ dehumanization - cases where the a person internalizing the dehumanization has done horrible things. It’s tied to an actual mindset of actual belief that the persons described are literally lesser, and can be (and were) dealt with accordingly. Thus, use of the term is hate speech. Of course it’s possible to accidentally use an historically hateful term, but the more widespread such a term is the less likely that will happen.
Code words don’t have historical context, but they very deliberately have a hate-filled context. It’s intentional and very real, and it ties the new word to, once again, an actual mindset of actual belief that the persons described are literally lesser. So it’s hate speech. However it’s not the sort of hate speech that can be identified outside of context, and there are cases when even in context the context doesn’t clearly indicate that the term is supposed to be a flag to evil-minded people. However that doesn’t stop its effectiveness as flag to evil-minded people, and it’s why open racists are so happy when Trump uses code words they recognize; they feel it can’t be accidental. They may be right, but plausible deniability is maintained because things like the term NPC and the OK sign are still used innocently by non-evil people.
And then you have where cases somebody calls people insects, or that time when I called you all goat felching hamster sons whose mothers smelt of elderberries and were also hamsters. These terms are not associated, either historically or actually, with an internalized hatred associated with an evil mindset. Now if such usage happened a lot, or consistently within a hate group, then the term might become a code word and then recognized hate speech. But that’s not where words start. And not every insult becomes that, you doorhandles.
In ones where people care about word mean, mostly.
“Insect” isn’t leftist hate speech, motherfuckers. It simply isn’t. Given time it could become actual hate speech, like “shoebox” which I’ve just decided I’m going to try and make into a bigoted codeword*. But, to date, it isn’t.
And, again, what makes you a hypocrite is that you’re doing the same things you’re criticizing. “Mentally deranged supporters”? Sorry sucker, but one doesn’t have to have mental problems to be annoyed with republicans. So calling them (us?) retards is as factually incorrect as calling republicans insects, making you exactly as much a jackass as the OP.
I’m not actually going to try to make “shoebox” into a codeword. That was a lie.
No you numnuts, read it again (if you can, as it seems that you also have trouble with that) if anything it makes the point to remember history, you forgot about it.
Some of these folks are actually mentally deranged. Now, it’s tragic that they aren’t getting the psychiatric treatment that they need. It’s one of the many problems our society struggles with and I have empathy for those who have issues that are untreated and outside of their control yet strive to be good people. Psychopaths that engage in dishonesty in the Pit? Now that’s a whole different story. They need help. They don’t recognize they are damaged souls. I’m trying to help them. Unfortunately, the message doesn’t get thru.
Look at Drunky for example. That poor soul is barely clinging to sanity and/or life judging by how, when, and what he writes. Shouldn’t you be directing a bit of tough love his way so he can get help?
The NPC thing in my mind is funny. If people want to say Trump supporters are dumb and don’t think for themselves feel free. Oh wait! They are and are saying it in much much harsher terms and there are even calls for violence against Trump supporters. That’s more dangerous than joking that the more deranged elements of the left are running scripts in their so-called brains. Ultimately, I have no obligation to explain anything I say in the Pit. It’s the pit.
I will concede that there are certain phrases or words that have connotations and impact that is disproportionate to what I’m trying to convey. I don’t always agree with others connotations but I do take it into account and modify what I say if I feel it’s valid. Which is a* far, far *greater courtesy than the majority of those who are regulars in the Pit extend to anyone else.
Not for one damn second do I think you want to be helpful. If you really do, you clearly have no idea whatsoever how to go about it and should probably stop trying.
I also don’t believe you’re qualified to diagnose people. And I’ll just leave that “tough love” shit where it lies.
You’re kind of all over the place in this paragraph, but the salient points appear to be “I don’t choose to accept that my side uses hate speech, I really love insulting people, and I’m not going to listen to criticism anyway because if I did I’d have to face the facts that I’m as bad as anybody else in here.”
That’s a good start, I suppose.
And if you’re worried about non-hate-speech lacks of courtesy, what the hell are you doing in the pit? This is the place where motherfuckers can call each other motherfuckers. There’s a sticky about it and everything.
You and I define “leftist” very differently. And under my definition of the terms there weren’t scores of millions dead at the hand of leftist regimes in the 20th century. The governments I call “leftist” tend not to get called “regimes”.
And just to see how off you are: one can ask you this: What extreme leftist guy or group has made any headway in the USA in the 21st century to have a chance to do what you hang up to?
What happens is that in the USA those extreme leftists are not even looked at viable even by many liberals or the left in the USA. Nor seen making what you claim. Hence the point about you not being able to take into account time… or space even.
I think I’ll bookmark this as an example of just how stupid octopus is, or how stupid Trumpists and Republicans are more generally. I’ve reddened the funniest line — as if octopus or his ilk had any learning about history, political science or economics.
The dolt seizes on the word “leftist,” Googles it a little, and decides that progressives — who emphasize tolerance of diversity, humane values, and encourage education and science — have something in common with Stalin and his gulags or with Pol Pot’s anti-intellectual regime. Idiot. And I’ll bet ten-to-one octopus couldn’t even define the word “socialism” without Googling it.
octopus Googled “political left” (or more likely, let Sean Hannity explain it to him), comes up with gibberish and lies, and displays them proudly here, like an infant who proudly points to the shit he’s laid on the carpet!
The comparison between the present-day Republican Party and Hitler’s Nazis is inexact, but much much stronger than linking AOC to Pol Pot, or WTF octopus thinks he’s doing.
Comparison of today’s Republicans with yesteryear’s Nazis:
[ul][li] Hatred against homosexuals. Check.[/li][li] Hatred against a religious group. (You say potato, I say potahto. Hitler hated Jews, octopus and his ilk hate Muslims.) Check.[/li][li] Curry favor from the entrenched rich. Check.[/li][li] Oppose labor unions.Check.[/li][li] Prefer guns to butter, with dreams of world domination. Check.[/li][li] Inhumane treatment of innocents. Check.[/li][li] Government-sanctioned propaganda; persecution of intellectuals. Check.[/li][li] Et cetera. I could go on, but octopus is too stupid to learn a whit. Watch him whine and tune in Sean Hannity![/li][/ul]
Ninja’ed by GIGObuster:
And then idiotopus doubles down:
I am bookmarking this exchange. I hope the moderates, who stupidly condemned asahi instead of America’s real villains, study the right-wing stupidities on display here.
They should be exterminated for the common good.
We should swear we are not going to abandon the struggle for equality and social justice until the last Republican vermin has been exterminated and is actually dead. It is not enough to merely identify, isolate and shame these enemies of tolerance, multi-culturalism and acceptance, the Republicans have got to be exterminated.
For those unfamiliar with this oaf, Northeast Refugee is himself right-wing vermin, trying to be sarcastic here. He may be a little smarter than octopus, but he is even more ignorant, more racist, and almost certainly a troll. Whiff his fragrant turds now, if that’s your thing — I’d expect him to be banned soon.
[Reads the title of the thread, (while still thinking that the OP was Russian Trolling)]
:rolleyes:
Well, thanks for showing all that you can not read much like our president. The Republicans the OP is talking about are not foreign.
But if you still want to ignore how stupid your reply and double down was when the context was the USA:
Oh, so you do think that the Republican Guard of Iraq was properly named? It would explain then where Baghdad Bob is nowadays, he is a great advisor of the Republicans in the USA then.
My disdain for socialism and communism comes from the lessons of today and of history. You asked where it came from but artificially restricted the answer to the US as if the US in the 21st century is the only place and time to contemplate.
Of course not, like your “leader” you do not think strange to get aid for your stupid points with help from enemies from abroad.
BTW, I noted too that even if you are correct, you only appear as a professional poisoner of poisoned discussions. Social Democrats are way different than communists and even socialists are not getting too much traction in the USA, the only reason then to bring the sorry points you are making is to falsely equate the American left with what they do not support nor do.
So why are people in this very thread comparing people to so-called Nazis which 99.999.42% of the time refer to Nazis from overseas and the last millennium if this so-called conversation was strictly limited to the arbitrary constraint of US history from the years 2001 and 2019? I’m about to have to open up one of my cookbooks and get to plagiarizing.
You seem to demonstrate to all that you are not capable of discerning that I’m not other people? We are not a hive you know*, and many are not supporting the OP, or not all the way as you picture it.
