What Are Your Challenges In Being An Atheist?

While I agree that those things are often good, in what way do they instruct/inform/enlighten/benefit/strengthen, especially morally or spiritually?

Would there then be two gods, me and the original one?

And why worship? Even if I were convinced that there was a deity (however one might choose to define that) who had made the world, made humans, and sent Jesus to die on the cross, I still wouldn’t see why I should worship that being, nor what interest that being might have in my worship.

So when you previously looked at the world, you saw no evidence of God, but since that moment when you look at the world, you see it? If that happened to me, I think I’d suspect I was right before.

Assuming you believe God did this with you, do you have a hypothesis as to why?

Judge for yourselves.

A person is benefitted by having a house to live in. A person is benefitted by being made happy. Edifying another person (instructing, informing, enlightening, benefitting, or strengthening her) is what doing good is all about. That includes monumental things like feeding the hungry or healing the sick as well as mundane things like saying a kind word or doing an unsolicited favor.

No. You would be one and the same. It is in fact the fate of every person who values goodness above all else (believer or non-believer) to become one with God. You’re used to thinking in corporeal terms, where two bodies mean two people, and they cannot merge into one. But God is spirit, as is essential man.

Because He expresses my ideal. It is utterly glorious, in my opinion, to love perfectly. I cannot help but adore the being Who does so.

The before is dead. I cannot even think in those terms now. Sometimes, I try to sympathize with someone by recalling when I was an atheist, but it is such a dim memory that I practically have to resynthesize it. And I can do that only intellectually. The foundation of the whole atheist thing just isn’t there anymore for me.

I think it is because I surrendered. I let go for only a brief moment, and that was all He needed.

My favorite thread ever. :slight_smile:

Priceguy and Liberal, I realize that your discussion is an organic hijack, in that it arose from a discussion within this thread and has simply moved outward as the matter has been explored, but it is a hijack. I would ask that you continue the discussion in a new thread and leave this particular thread to discussions closer to the Original Post.

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Will do. Sorry, Tom.

Apologies. When Lib asked his question and the thread was moved but Lib not reprimanded, I took it to mean the following discussion was kosher.

No one is in trouble. Organic hijacks make the place more interesting. Unfortunately, when they move far enough away from the central theme of the thread, they can be distracting and I would rather see the discussion continue where it will be appreciated than start getting complaints from other posters that you have “hijacked” the thread–particularly when hijacking or disruption was not your intent.

Nowhere, preferably.

Because it is a character flaw. Not a huge one, necessarily. But definitely not a positive. Strident atheists are just as annoying to this atheist as strident Christians, strident Muslims, strident Buddhists and strident Wiccans. Although, ok, I’ll admit I am slightly more irritated by strident generic-New-Agey-spiritual types than anything else. Not sure why that is, but it’s a fact.

But the point is that all stridency is offputting. To me. Not that a couple of my friends don’t veer into that mode from time to time. But I wish they wouldn’t.

I’ve been calling for this thread to be brought back somewhere to its original intent. I don’t recall the OP stating that any challenges had to be considered valid by other posters in order to have merit.

Questioning whether or not atheists have challenges is for another thread. Comparing those challenges to such things as slavery is for another thread.
Religious discussions having nothing to do with challenges is for another thread.

I am sorry that as an atheist I have not suffered the same fates as those oppressed by slavery, or interred in a concentration camp or any other hideous atrocities that people have befallen. They may be minor inconvienences for some, but I do feel like we face challenges and should be able to have a thread to discuss them without having to defend ourselves.

I’m also severely disappointed it took this long for a mod to step in and get it on track. IMHO, organic tangents are nice and informative, but when they are what has happened in this thread, it isn’t nice, nor is it informative.

Hmm…the US Government has kept me safe from Nazis and Commies. Perhaps I shall joyously worship it with 30% of my income.

-Joe

God gave us death, it’s only fair the government gives us taxes.

Plenty of leaders of European countries have said just that about Jews, or gone one step further and forcibly expelled us.

I don’t really think some of them consider Jews and other non-Christians to be “us”, either.

To be fair, that has generally been ethnic and cultural, not based in religious belief. If you were ethnically Jewish, refusing to read Torah or keep kosher would not have helped you stay out of the concentration camps.

In my experience as a Jew (according to various definitions), this is certainly true.

At least in the twentieth century, that was true. It wasn’t true of some earlier persecutions of Jews. Converting to Christianity would have allowed you to stay in Spain after the expulsion in 1492, for example.

I haven’t had any problems with my atheism at work. I don’t flaunt it, but if the subject comes up I don’t hide it. Several years ago a lady who was a manager was trying to convince me in the Truth of Christianity, specifically mentioning how the Bible had some perfect mathematical property (this was before The Bible Code came out, and I think it might have been based on the same work that she was aware of). But she was always trying to get me to join her workgroup, so even then there was no discrimination.

I don’t mention it to my parents. My dad is 82 and would be very upset, my mom is 78 and would be somewhat upset. With my three sisters, it never comes up. None of us go to church - me probably more than anyone, when my wife drags me to church twice a year.

The only time I feel slighted is with my son and the Cub Scouts. I signed up as an assistant den leader, but had to lie on the application form. He’s about to graduate to the Boy Scouts, and I’m not going to lie on the form again. I expect that I’ll fill out the form truthfully and they’ll tell me that I’m not allowed in.

Allow me to preface by saying I’m one of those strident Atheists they talk about. I would never consider marrying anyone who believed, for instance.

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I have slogged thru portions of this thread because I found the original question interesting. So far I haven’t found the following specific but related topics addressed (if they have, please quote them or point me to the correct place), and am interested as a non-judgmental, open-minded believer in how atheists approach these topics.
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[li]How do you, as an atheist, personally deal with the cosmological argument (glibly, something caused the universe to come into existence, that something must be god)? I personally would find it intellectually challenging to deny it, but I’m not really interested in arguing the point, just whether or not it is a personal challenge, and if so, how you deal with it.[/li][/quote]

I agree that it is pretty darn amazing that the universe exists. But there is no evidence that the christian god, or any other, is responsible for it. It’s just as likely to be a simulation in a giant computer. Until we know, I’d say the generation of the universe is a mystery. I’m content with that. Religion has answers for it, but they are very likely wrong answers.

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[li]Some religious folks derive comfort in a form of immortality promised by many religions. It is difficult to understand how knowing one will cease to exist upon death can provide a similar value, but perhaps it does or it’s compensated for in other ways. Again, this is not at all a reason to adopt religious beliefs, but I am curious if atheists feel the regret of living with certain mortality as an emotional challenge.[/li][/quote]

My best friend died when I was sixteen and I really wish I’d be able to see him again when I die. But I don’t believe it will happen. I know that when I die it will be oblivion and everything that makes up my self will cease. This makes me want to achieve what I want in this life, and motivates to me to make everyone’s lives around me as nice as possible in the process. I believe we only get the one ride and it has to be as fun as you can make it.

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[li]Religion is often tied to ethnic or cultural identities and practices. Christmas in America is a good example; though technically a religious holiday, it is for all intents and purposes a cultural celebration. What challenges do you face in keeping religion and culture personally separate, or do you think such distinctions are irrelevant and therefore not challenging (unless someone else insists on making it a challenge)? Use Christmas as an example if you like, but the question is generally about religious ties to culture.[/li][/quote]

I give gifts to my friends and have a tree, for the cultural value of it. I don’t actually find any compelling evidence that Christ even existed, lacking any primary sources from even the generation after his death. I certainly don’t put up a nativity.

Thanks for asking.

Where can I see this?!

The movie Ghost cemented my desbelief in an afterlife. When the black-robed misty whatever the heck they are things show up to drag away the souls of the dead evildoers, it occured to me that the implication was they were going to be tormented in Hell or whatever, forever, which I find offensive on some level as a violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Further, what kinda crappy job involves having to wear some crappy misty black robe and haul off the crappy souls of evildoers? How do these demon soul-couriers (Dead-Ex, as I like to call them) avoid get sick of their jobs which, after the hundred-millionth sinner or so, has to get really really boring?

At that point whatever tenuous link I still had to religious belief snapped forever. I’m an atheist, because of Patrick Swayze.