The woman’s right to do as she wishes with her body allows her to remove her unwanted occupant. There’s no reason it should allow her to kill said occupant if she can remove it without doing so.
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- I think I said something like it is not a major health concern, in other words, if it is causing harm, it’s more on the order of the harm you do to yourself by eating crap food, then the harm from having lead in the water. It’s a bad policy because it’s basically the only medical treatment taken undeliberately without regard to consistent dosage, or appropriate dosage, and given in the improper method (internally rather than topically). And it’s been shown to be totally unnecessary in modern countries. It probably ended up doing more good than harm, but it sets a very bad precedent in terms of policy should something similar ever be tried with something else that turns out, like many things have turned out after long term studies, to have serious repercussions. The fact that this didn’t is just luck.
It’s also annoying because it makes a lot of people keep repeating the phrase “the dose makes the poison”, which means something different than they think it means.
- Mental illness.
So anybody who commits evil is mentally ill?
Probably most of them.
People who aren’t conflicted about abortion, which is just about everybody, are insane.
Some of mine:
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Background music in video games is an annoying distraction. The first thing I do when starting up a new game is turn the music volume to 0%. Why anyone would want to listen to music while trying to concentrate on playing a game to the best of their ability is baffling to me. Even MORE baffling is that some people actually buy video game music (or copy it from the game) and listen to it outside of the game.
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Posting political or religious comments or images to Facebook shows a severe lack of intellect AND severe lack of interesting events/topics in your life.
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Hunting and fishing are incredibly boring ways to spend/waste time unless necessary for sustenance.
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Watching sports instead of playing sports is an incredibly boring way to spend/waste time, the only exception being the Superbowl (for the commercials) and Olympics (for the cultural/political significance, and the chance to see rare and unusual sports).
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. Because like anyone else, I am made uncomfortable even with the idea of aborting an eight month fetus. And I am 100% for abortion.
But honestly, I always want to say - how often does this happen? Reading some stats and cites over the years, it seems to me that when the thought of abortion comes up at this late-stage it’s due to the health of the mother and baby. I have no problem with women aborting anencephalic babies for example, or other severely disabled babies.
Most of the time that eight-month-pregnant woman wants the child and is heartbroken at the thought of having to abort. And I guess that is one of the places I draw the line. A wanted baby is more than a fetus, at least to the parents. An unwanted baby is just a fetus.
All this shit goes political so I am uncomfortable with laws that say killing a pregnant woman is murdering two people…because I know they will be hijacked into anti-abortion laws. But when a mother wanted her baby, and she is murdered, of course that’s murdering two people.
It all comes down to freedom of reproductive choice. The extreme pro-choice people think that we hate all babies or some shit…but really I just want women not to be tied to our pregnancies like we have been for thousands of years.
A few thousand times a year.
Most late-term abortions are performed on a healthy fetus with a healthy mother.
This is usually not the case.
Regards,
Shodan
You I am definitely not arguing with. Do I like banging my head on a brick wall? Anyway I don’t want to continue this hijack either way. I just wanted to explain myself a little bit.
/end hijack
You are probably right - the thread is about unpopular opinions, which is different from opinions based on wrong information.
Regards,
Shodan
Not many doctors would induce preterm labor just because the woman doesn’t want to be pregnant. Once the law says it’s too late for an abortion, in most cases the woman just has to let the pregnancy run its course.
Even if a doctor was willing to induce labor for no medical reason at, say, 25 weeks, wouldn’t they lose their license?
Agreed. I believe that abortion after viability, which right now is 22 weeks, is outright murder. If the woman’s life is in danger, the baby should be delivered and further care given as deemed appropriate.
I realize that babies born before 24 weeks rarely survive, and if they do are almost always severely disabled, and the rates for survival increase and disability decrease from there.
ETA: Prior to 22 weeks, the lungs do not function and survival is impossible. Abortions at that point involve (among other things) inducing labor, so why go through labor to deliver a dead baby when you can wait a few weeks and deliver a live one, even if you can’t keep it?
An addendum to my last post: I know a pharmacist who, in the mid 1970s, worked at a hospital that did third-trimester abortions. They had to stop doing them because of people like her who refused to dispense the medications, and this facility also had difficulty keeping nurses because of it. And most of the people who had them were not dying women with fatally deformed babies; they were usually teenage girls from middle- or upper-class families whose parents had just discovered they were pregnant, and were forcing them to get rid of it. :mad: To me, “anti-choice” is women being forced to have abortions when they don’t want to, and good heavens, like I said, if you have to go through labor, put the baby up for adoption.
That’s what we have adoption for in the first place - to provide parents for children who otherwise wouldn’t have them.
p.s. Even though she was strongly pro-life, she did dispense meds for earlier abortions because she felt that if a woman was going to have an abortion, it was best that she have one in a facility that was safe (recent news reports have indicated that this isn’t always the case) and it was mostly for things like pain meds and antibiotics, indicating that the procedure was already done anyway.
I think that people who are on social assistance who continue to have children are idiots and assholes.
If you are already pregnant or have children and shit happens to force you onto welfare, that’s fine. It’s when you’re ON welfare and continue to procreate. Birth control is free (here in Ontario, anyway) with your prescription benefits.
There’s also no such thing as an “accidental pregnancy.” If you’re having sex, whether on birth control or not, you run the risk of getting pregnant. If you don’t want to risk getting pregnant then don’t have intercourse, dumbass. Take some fucking responsibilty. <- heh, literally.
Oh i imagine it almost never happens that a woman carries a baby for eight months and then changes her mind, but it could happen and she should be able to. You can throw guests out if you don’t want them there anymore so I don’t see what difference that makes and it is no more murder than not donating your organs is murder. It is simple, another being has no right to your body even if their life depends on it.
Can you throw them out a 10th story window, or through a wood chipper on their way out the door? No, because they are separate beings with rights, and you don’t get to end their life just because you don’t want them around you anymore.
If the fetus is viable, it doesn’t need the woman anymore, it just hasn’t left the womb yet. So, she can go ahead and end the pregnancy, it’s just that ending the pregnancy by killing the fetus shouldn’t be an option.
Of course, in both cases, if your life is being threatened by the unwanted guest, and killing the guest is necessary to secure your safety, then by all means, go ahead.
I don’t believe you should invite guests over if you plan to grind them up when you get tired of visiting.
That leads me to one of my most unpopluar opinions. Babies that are born incredibly pre-term (27 weeks or less) should not be given expensive care. They should be given a reasonable amount of care and if they make it, they make it.
I feel the same way about women whose husbands don’t co-parent, and have additional planned children. :rolleyes: Ditto women who can’t handle the child(ren) they already have, and yet have (or want) more.
I’m going to disagree with you, because I have a friend whose daughter was born at 26 weeks (she went into labor, and they never figured out why) and she’s now 18 and leads a completely normal life. 
From day one, she met all her developmental milestones right on time, adjusted for her gestational age. I realize this isn’t always the case.
I do know of a family where the baby had to be delivered at 24 weeks due to life-threatening complications, and that poor child was brutally tortured for several long months before he finally died. Among other things, he never gained any weight except for edematous fluid. The only reason I could think of why he was kept “alive” was because the family had insurance. :rolleyes: And conversely, I can think of another family whose daughter was born at that age under similar circumstances, and she too is normal and actually graduated from high school last year as salutatorian of her class.
There is a set of sextuplets who were born about 10 years ago over a period of about 2 weeks (all of them naturally) between 23 and 25 weeks’ gestation, and all six children are disabled, three of them severely. I know they love those kids, but what an awful thing to deal with. And they’ll never be the subject of a reality show, KWIM?
One demographic that I do not believe should have aggressive medical treatment is people who blow themselves up in meth lab explosions. Some hospitals have had to close their burn units because the entire hospital was in danger of bankruptcy just because of all the uninsured meth makers who came in this way, and medical ethicists are indeed having discussions about whether people who do this should be treated. Give them comfort care, and if they recover, oh, well, shit happens.