Oh, and one more thing…B team is not always the best “Friday off” team. It is this year.
It is a perk beforehand, as these weekends have not even occurred yet. They aren’t even the year in which they are to occur. I think that it’s safe to say that C can rearrange his schedule for Thanksgiving 2006.
I don’t know if others caught it, but C was attempting to tell his boss that he was a “fucking coward”. I can’t believe C still has a job, yet less have folks try to accommodate him.
This is what I must be missing. Delores did ask for the perk afterward, didn’t she? Chips Guy was already on Team B and has been on Team B for 6 months.
On preview: Lissa, that sucks. I’d hate to work somewhere like that. I hope it’s worth it overall.
It doesn’t even exist yet. It has not yet happened. The policy is not yet in effect. It’s still before hand.
Hmmm. Well then I suppose Delores is within her rights to want the “better” schedule based on the fact that she has seniority. I still think she went about it the wrong way. Although the guy should never have called her (or her boss, as he claims) a fucking coward no matter how mad he was about it.
After reading the whole thing, all I can do is shake my head and think “some of these people are beyond lucky to not know what it’s like to work with this jerk.”
I don’t think Delores was so much angry about him personally getting the “good” Fridays as she was that she isn’t getting them anymore, even though she had been for a few years. And I can totally empathize on the rest of it after having worked with Joan, Queen of Everything for what now feels like half of forever.
No matter what you have done, she has done it at least twice as often and way better than you could ever think of. She’s never been married or had a baby, but she is an authority on marriage and child rearing. No one will ever be as good a cook, driver, or caregiver. You can always tell when she’s about to enter a conversation; she strides purposefully across the room toward the people talking with a determined look on her face. It’s a total PITA to do it, but everyone has started either cutting her off or cutting off their conversations. I feel ya, Delores. Having that kind of person in the department sucks.
I guess we have different ideas of what before and after mean. I’m saying it’s after because it’s after the new schedule became official. If you’re saying it’s before because it’s before the weekend actually occurred – well, then what would be the point of switching hours for a weekend that has already passed? You lost me here.
If you mean it’s not close enough to the weekend in question, then are you saying that there is some sort cutoff point for when it’s acceptable to switch? If so, when is that cutoff?
That’s what I was thinking. I don’t think C’s awkwardness will be a problem for long.
I think I would need a chart and slides to understand this schedule. Please, nobody try to explain it to me.
(By the way, it’s DOlores. 
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Why are you turning it into some moronic logic pissing match? At any reasonable workplace, accommodations could be made under the (ridiculously unlikely) circumstance that he had already bought his non-refundable plane tickets for the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Why is it necessary to invent some arbitrary “Universal Law for the Exchange of Time Off”? Can’t you look at the actual situation on its actual merits rather than invent ridiculous hypotheticals or chase after some imaginary Logically Pure system for managing free time?
Oh, and tdn, this is an attack on you and your obnoxious conduct during this thread. Just so we’re clear.
Sorry, sorry… I’ll just huddle over here with my face aflame. :smack:
Good Lord you’re difficult. The policy is not yet in effect. If management came tomorrow and said “we’ve changed our mind, no Fridays for you.” it would still be before hand. It’s all hypothetical until the policy goes into effect.
The guy is a prick, stop trying to defend him.
I have to disagree with you, light strand, if it was a preexisting perk for Dolores to be on the B team, she would have been put on the B team in the first place. Disregarding the very bad way he handled it, C was most definitely right to be upset.
I liked my old job’s way of handling time off. It was very fair, and very rarely did anyone not get the time off they wanted. My team of 7 people was given a calendar and it was rotated, starting with the person with the highest seniority, and they could enter one, and only one, vacation period. So they get their first choice. Then it went to person number two, and so on, and after everyone on the team put in their first vacation period, it went back to the highest seniority person and it started over, I think a total of seven cycles. After the seven cycles, it went to first come, first served, seniority doesn’t count for anything. There were only seven of us, though, and we all got along quite well and were able to negotiate with each other, sometimes agreeing to come in on our day off so someone else could have the day off, so everyone was happy.
Vacation time is pretty much the only time seniority comes into play anywhere at my old employer, and I liked it that way. Everybody was treated equally. Of course, pay and time off and other benefits increased with length of service, however, nobody got screwed out of anything, vacation time, promotions, etc., just because someone else had been there longer.
Mishell, please read post #140.
Unless, of course, the boss didn’t pay any attention, and just randomly assigned the weekends. In which case, senior personnel should be able to request their preference.
Yeah, I read that. So? It’s evidence that seniority was not a consideration in placing people on teams. If it were me, I would have gone to my boss and asked if it would be possible to move to the B team. It would certainly not be proper to pull rank and demand that lowly C be forced to switch with me. Whether or not he’s a “prick” is completely irrelevant.
Did you forget what you posted just a bit upthread?
From post 140, it’s evidence that she was on Team B while the 9-80’s were in force. She complained that she was bumped off by the new guy. The fact that she doesn’t like him is secondary. Her boss apparently forgot she was on Team B and she had him put her back. Which addresses what you said. Someone obviously had to be rotated off. It was the guy she didn’t like, but he was probably rotated off due to lack of seniority, not because she didn’t like him. Unless you are asserting she told her boss “he’s a jerk, make him switch with me.”?
I don’t see anything that indicates that each team was composed of the exact same people, except for Dolores. Perhaps they revamped the whole thing. I’m not saying that Dolores was wrong to ask to move back to the B team, I’m just saying it was wrong of her to expect C to switch with her, just because she has higher seniority.
I’m not. I’m trying to understand where light strand is coming from.
Oh, and tdn, this is an attack on you and your obnoxious conduct during this thread. Just so we’re clear.
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Obnoxious conduct? WTF? I’m trying to defend my point. Any snark you read into it is clearly a product of your own imagination.
I am not trying to defend him. I am trying to say…
Aw, fuck it. You’re going to read whatever the hell you want into my posts. I give up.
Ah, then I apologize for misreading you. No, she probably shouldn’t have gone to C to try to get him to switch, but gone straight to her boss and told him she wanted to stay on B Team instead. Possibly she was trying to resolve it without making a big deal out of it, or maybe switching is a common thing in her office. Frankly, the whole 9-80 thing made my head spin. In any case, if I got kicked off of a schedule I was happy with, I’d probably do what I could to get it back, too.