Historically, Trump’s words have not been a reliable indicator of his intent, thoughts, feelings, or beliefs.
I’m convinced. No one man should have all that power.
Yeah, pardons are harder in Georgia.
(Excerpt:)
Donald J. Trump has raised the idea in the past that as president he could pardon himself from federal crimes. While no president has ever pardoned himself, there is little restriction on the presidential pardon [authority] laid out in the Constitution.
But in the Georgia case, Mr. Trump would have no such power if he is re-elected, because a president’s pardons apply only to federal crimes.
Beyond that, getting a pardon in Georgia is not just a matter of persuading a governor to grant clemency. People convicted of state crimes are eligible to apply for pardons only five years after they have started serving their sentences. Even then, it’s not the governor who decides but the [State Board of Pardons and Paroles]
And while criminals can ask the parole board to commute sentences right away, the board “will consider a commutation of a sentence imposed in other than death cases only when substantial evidence is submitted” showing “that the sentence is either excessive, illegal, unconstitutional or void” and that “such action would be in the best interests of society and the inmate.”
The board’s five members are appointed by the governor to seven-year terms, an effort to insulate them from political pressure.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/us/georgia-pardons-trump.html
Hell, let’s use all of them: onerous, odorous, and odious. 
The board’s five members are appointed by the governor to seven-year terms, an effort to insulate them from political pressure.
Well, if they are all Trumpers, then…
…the board “will consider a commutation of a sentence imposed in other than death cases only when substantial evidence is submitted” showing “that the sentence is either excessive, illegal, unconstitutional or void” and that “such action would be in the best interests of society and the inmate.”
I guess we’ll find out who these individuals are soon enough depending on which way this case goes. As an aside, it’s amazing how people involved behind the curtains of civilization, the gears that keep society going, can suddenly be thrust into life threatening and life-changing situations just doing their jobs (e.g. election workers, school board members, parole boards). This seems like a recent thing.
odoriferous
Page 76 of annotated document has “impersonating a public officer”
names the entire groups as presenting themselves as fake election officials for the purpose of sending the fake elector list to DC.
I have a question. A number of the charges in this case revolve around actions that Donald Trump took against the Republican establishment in Georgia. He tried to strongarm state election officials (who were Republicans). While the lieutenant governor seemed to be involved in Trump’s shenanigans (and is facing an investigation over that), Governor Brian Kemp hasn’t been investigated, and has spoken out yet again against Trump for his claims that there was election fraud in Georgia.
I’ve seen some concerns (made on this board as well) that Georgia state Republicans might try to pass legislation or take other actions to end this case, such as removing Fani Willis from office, or some other maneuver to get it dismissed.
…But will they? I’ve been poking around, and while there are many in the Republican Party heavily criticizing this, that’s at the national level. I’m not seeing that at the state level. Given that Trump effectively set himself as an enemy toward the Republicans in Georgia, isn’t it more likely they’d be more than happy to see him brought down for this? It’s easy for them to shrug and say that it’s all up to the courts.
I think he won’t get any help at the state level, because he burned that bridge a few years ago.
It’s a good question. My thinking broke down even earlier, prior to prison, during punishment. Would federal punishment guidelines apply or what? Probably not. I think your question and mine are easily answerable by a criminal lawyer with some experience.
Regardless, the President can only pardon people who committed federal crimes. No matter Trump’s punishment, nor the location where he serves his punishment, he would be serving a conviction of a State crime and per the plain meaning in the Constitution the President cannot pardon that.
So, even if Trump somehow ended up in a federal prison (for violating GA criminal laws), Georgia would need to pardon him of violating their laws and I don’t see any reason why the federal prison would not release him if that is done (they no longer have a basis to his continued detainment).
If the President issued a pardon for State crimes, that would be litigated* to the Supreme Court. While the answer is pretty clear that cannot be done, it’s always ultimately up to the Supreme Court. *Trying to imagine who the litigants might be hurts my head.
an interesting tidbit, i noticed that when they mention twits on real donald trump’s feed, it states" donald john trump caused to be tweeted from the twitter account" i haven’t seen one as yet (on pg 38) that states he did it himself; all state “caused to be”.
interesting, exp. after the reporting that smith’s team subpoenaed twitter records. it seems like there may be a " i didn’t do it" issue that is trying to be avoided.
I don’t know that it’s quite that simple. GA state officials are, to my knowledge, pretty firm in defending the integrity of the 2020 elections in their state, Kemp and Raffensberger in particular. But just because they deny Trump’s election lies, that doesn’t mean they want to see him prosecuted for them. I could easily see them holding the dissonant positions of “Trump is wrong about the 2020 election” and “But these charges are an overreach by fanatical Democrats, so I will do X to help him.”
Even Chris Christie came out today to say Trump shouldn’t have been indicted in GA.
Or while in the air flying to Bedminster the plane makes an inexplicable right turn to an easterly course…
Seriously? Why not?
Because that will play well with the base. He’s gotta drift a little that way to keep them engaged. He can ditch them later (hopefully) after winning the nomination (at least that’s what he may be thinking).
I think it really comes down to two competing goals, that is a dilemma for the entire Republican party not just those in Georgia.
On a personal level the Republicans would be much better off if Trump was safely behind bars where he wouldn’t drag the party down even further into the mud.
However on a public level they need to support him or they lose their next primary to a true believer for being insufficiently deplorable.
So they need to give the appearance that they are appalled by his treatment and doing everything they can get him off the hook, but behind the scenes they might drag their feet or sabotage their own efforts.
He stinks on ice!
I don’t know. One of my Facebook friends (niece of a friend’s late stepfather or something) lives in Savannah. She is totally and completely convinced Trump won the election (among other CS stuff). She ‘warned’ about a civil war if Trump was convicted in his impeachments. While many Republican politicians may be more than happy to see Trump brought down, I suspect they would rather have the votes of constituents that think The Messiah can do no wrong. After all, to get back into Trump’s good graces, all they have to do is say nice things about Him.
Wow, that takes some serious chutzpah (or more likely stupidity) to carry on a with such blatantly illegal intimidation tactics in a police station. Kutti should have been held for questioning then and there about about who she worked for and what she was implying. I guess the police were probably mostly Trumpists, so no blood no foul.
Just got done doing my daily email check-in and found this message from him that tugged my heart strings (not). I’ve been his bestest buddy for about two years now even though I haven’t sent him a dime so it must be sincere, right?
Nothing about a report in two weeks.
"Why not just walk away?
Nunya,[*]
This is no doubt a dark time for America.
But I also woke up this morning to the many, many messages of support from countless patriots across the country who will NEVER give up on our noble mission.
And I must say, even with this very dark cloud hanging over our nation, it’s those freedom-loving patriots like YOU who are my source of courage, hope, and my UNBREAKABLE resolve to SAVE AMERICA.
But how could we ever give up on America?
She is the freest and greatest country in history. She is a beacon of hope to the world that through hard work and perseverance, anything is possible.
So, whenever I’m asked, “Sir, why keep fighting? Why not just walk away and never have to think about these witch hunts ever again?”
My answer is simple…
Even after FOUR unlawful INDICTMENTS against me as an innocent man, even with Crooked Joe and his accomplices trying to JAIL me for hundreds of years, I will remain right where I belong: between YOU and the entrenched Deep State that hates our country.
Because walking away would mean condemning America to a lifetime of Third World Marxist tyranny.
Not on my watch, Nunya. I will NEVER SURRENDER our country to the Left’s tyranny!
If you’re struggling due to the crooks and thugs who are running our country right now, then do not donate. I mean it! Very soon, we will win back the White House and America will come roaring back. You have my word.
But if you can contribute, then God knows our country needs patriots like YOU now more than ever.
*Last name, Bizness
Yes, it’s recent. Started January 20, 2017, and is now in full swing in the best tradition of Mafia mobsters.