The submarine moves through and displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the light to behave differently than if the water was at rest.
You have our gaseous Jupiter and a lead Jupiter. The lead Jupiter contains more particles of matter then our gaseous Jupiter. The lead Jupiter contains less aether than our gaseous Jupiter. The lead Jupiter displaces more aether than our gaseous Jupiter. There is more displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the lead Jupiter than our gaseous Jupiter. There is more gravitational force exerted toward the lead Jupiter than our gaseous Jupiter.
Can you provide a citation for this, or describe in a little more detail what specific physical/optical effect you are describing?
Displaced water is just water somewhere else. It behaves the same as water. Light passing through displaced water can’t tell the difference.
Can a sciencey Doper please comment on this? Am I missing something obvious here?
I can see how turbulent water, or moving water, or water with small pressure differentials in it (if those aren’t all the same thing) could affect the passage of light through it…
But water that has just been displaced by a submarine? It’s just water isn’t it? It doesn’t know where it was or where it’s meant to be. It was water over there, now it’s water over here.
It’s not like water is something that gets stretched open for the submarine to pass through, is it?
‘Bending the light - physics experiment’
‘Bending the light II - science experiment’
That’s not a citation of what was asked for-that was a silent movie without subtitles.
It shows that light can bend depending on the state of the water.
As a submarine moves through the water it changes the state of the water and will change the state of the light propagating through the water.
Only in the sense that the submarine is a visible object.
The following shows the light traveling through the air displaced by a bullet.
The following is an artists representation of the bow shock of a star which is an image of the star moving through and displacing the aether.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Sig06-029_medium.jpg
Characteristics of light travelling through various mediums is high school physics. Most secondary school students have done these experiments.
I’m having trouble understanding what you mean by “change the state”.
The star is a visible object.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Sig06-029_medium.jpg
‘Empty’ space has mass.
The star in the following image is moving through and displacing the mass which fills ‘empty’ space.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Sig06-029_medium.jpg
‘Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein’
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
“According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable”
“the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places”
The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.
I guess that’s just what happens if you post when under ether… Or perhaps this?
“The word ‘ether’ has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. […] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with ‘stuff’ that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo.” - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
Matter, fluids, solids, a piece of window glass and ‘stuff’ have mass and so does the aether.
How many times are you going to post this?
What sort of affectation is this? Quoting over and over something someone said without additional evidence to support the argument is not convincing. In fact it’s actually counter productive at this point.
Question to you… why the (obsessive?) need to call it “aether”, when at this point in time the terms “dark matter” and “dark energy” and “Higgs particle” are in reasonably good standing from a working scientific hypothesis point of view for explaining the missing mass of the universe?
Every time something posts something nonsensical.
mpc755, by my count this is the sixth time you have posted this quote in a page and a half of posts on this topic. This looks less like debate and that you have little of original thought to contribute.
Great Debates is about - unsurprisingly - debate and discussion. Providing citations is helpful in the course of debate. Proving the exact same quote is not.
Do not do so again. Doing so will get the thread closed and earn you a warning. Enough warnings and your posting privileges may be revoked.
Dark matter is hypothesized to be anchored to matter. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether. Aether has mass.
Our Universe is a larger version of a black hole polar jet. Dark energy is aether continually emitted into the Universal jet. It’s not the Big Bang; it’s the Big Ongoing.
Particles of matter are condensations of aether.
Why not call the physical phenomenon associated with dark matter, dark energy and the Higg’s field by its correct name?
Why do I have to put up with nonsense about people posting videos of people high on ether?