Please note that he did not graduate from the prestigious Wharton MBA program. When people refer admiringly to a Wharton degree this is the one they are talking about. He got a bachelor’s degree in economics; I have a friend who got an undergraduate degree in economics from Penn, he never says he graduated from Wharton. We have already determined that Trump did not get into Penn out of high school, but was able to transfer in based on family connections. Once you are in an undergraduate program you can just slide by, especially if you have enough money to pay for private tutoring, “help” with writing papers, etc.
Sorry but yes he did. He got a degree in economics from the Wharton School. This is easy enough to find.
Not the same thing.
And BTW - undergraduate or graduate, both are the #1 business schools in the country according to US News.
Not the same thing as what? Who said he had an MBA? I only said he had a degree from the Wharton School of business - which he does. In fact Wharton has 2500 plus undergrads according to their Wiki page and Trump is listed as a graduate. Not sure why this is even an issue.
His IQ is likely not as low as some of us have posited in this thread. However, it’s also likely not nearly as high as he thinks it is.
The MacArthur “Genius” Grants were [announced today](MacArthur Foundation Names 2017 ‘Genius’ Grant Winners) and-- WTF??-- Trump wasn’t among them?? Wah-wah-wah… must be rigged! Fake news! Hillary’s fault! It’s a dumb, worthless award anyway… I’ve won better awards every day and twice on Sunday!
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The University of Pennsylvania College of Arts and Sciences offers a Bachelor of Arts in Economics. The Wharton School offers a Bachelor of Science in Economics. I’m sure your friend did not graduate from the Wharton School, but I’m not seeing any evidence to suggest that Trump did not in fact do so. To me, graduating from the Wharton School qualifies as graduating from the Wharton School, but perhaps not. (It’s also been my experience that a bachelor’s degree from the Wharton School is “admirable,” but I take no position on that)
You forgot to end with, “Sad.”
I really don’t care what his IQ score may be. It won’t negate the fact that he is self centered blubbering idiot, who has too much power for our own good. It scares me to think what he could get this country ( and therefore me and mine) into. This won’t end well. I wonder, maybe, if whatever is wrong with Baron Trump may have been inherited from his Father?
Trumps IQ isn’t the issue; its his E (emotional)Q because he really fails at working with others.
Cite?
From an old Victorian melodrama spoof:
“I’m not as dumb as you think I am!”
“No… you couldn’t be.”
It might be more fun to analyze his grammar. I’m guessing a few grades lower. Depends whether rambling and breaking sentences in mid-thought to switch focus also counts against him…
This. You really have to hang out with some average people to realize how bad someone has to be to be simply average. I’m going to guess he’s somewhere between 110 and 120 (let’s say 115). Good enough to get by. It’s his combination of personality traits more than his smarts that get him places.
Sorry, I was mistaken. However, I have literally never heard anyone refer to the undergraduate program as the Wharton School, and I’m surrounded all day by business majors. They would just refer to it as UPenn business school, or Penn, or something like that. Apologies for the misunderstanding on my part.
Just so you know, when anyone else says they graduated from Wharton, they mean the MBA program.
And claiming that “he must be smart; he received a degree from [whatever school]” is something of a fallacy. Sure he might have been smart fifty years ago, but it doesn’t tell us how smart he is today. The article I linked to upthread suggests that he’s experienced “cognitive decline”. In short, he’s stupider than he once was.
Well, of course we don’t care. TRUMP is the one who cares.
I don’t think that’s true. The name of UPenn’s business school is “The Wharton School.” If you look at their website, you can see a long list of all the non-MBA programs they offer. I’m not surrounded by business majors all day, but I did take some classes at Penn, and have never heard of this idea that the name “Wharton” is shorthand for “Wharton MBA” only. One of the guys in my classes had gone to Wharton as an undergrad, and that was how he put it–he “went to Wharton.”
I agree. Trump is not inflating his resume to say he graduated from Wharton: he did. A claim to have gotten an MBA is not implicit in a person saying they graduated from Wharton. Trump’s famous inflation wrt to Wharton is saying he graduated first in his class: he did not. Major media publications used to print that on his word, in the days of developer/celebrity (non-political or left leaning) Trump. Still, Trump made it up not anyone else.
I don’t have enough experience correlating my impression of people with knowing their ‘IQ’ test scores to estimate Trump’s (especially just knowing a public persona). I never took an IQ test. We were given various standardized tests from early on but I don’t think they were IQ tests on the ‘mid 100’s is great’ scale, just %-tiles they told us. This was in the NY area and several decades ago (I’m figuring such tests have lost not gained currency since).
Anyway my impression of Trump is that his often astounding lack of relatively common knowledge is a function of lack of interest, based on a personality type, thought process and past experience that tells him it’s not important to learn. I think it less likely he wants to know such stuff but can’t learn or remember it (when Fredrick Douglass lived, seemed to refer to him as if still alive; what the nuclear triad is, not bothering to learn that after having been tripped up by it early on, etc.). And he certainly has a high level of intuition for his pre-political world of media savvy self promotion nominally at least in the real estate business (I’m viewing his reality TV stardom and earlier status as tabloid fixture in NY as one continuum, as strictly a real estate guy he had mixed success). Then he showed his talent was more than one dimensional with his insight into what a lot of the GOP base had been wanting to hear but had not from other GOP’ers, and enough general election voters wanted to hear too. I view it as unlikely he entirely bumbled into both of those successes, though OTOH he’s not the kind of person to explicitly think things through in a highly self aware way. He’s intuitive.
I think the important thing to take away from this incident is that this is a spat between the President and his Secretary of State. It doesn’t matter which of them is a fucking moron and which of them has a lower IQ. Whichever one of them wins, the administration as a whole loses.