What is it feel like, to be unattractive?

All three of your links to studies about higher earnings for “taller people” actually are studies about men. One of them even used Swedish military men as their study group!

Not having coronary artery disease is good, but being short does not cause coronary artery disease and being tall does not mean you are healthy. Obviously being healthy is preferable to being ill, but that really has little to do with the original question.

I’m sure some study could come up with a “peak height” for men and one for women within a population, and I doubt that the “best” height for women would be found to be taller than average let alone benefits increasing with height, for most populations.

Enabler. :wink:

This is me. I’ve never cared about being beautiful. Smart, yes. I’ve spiraled into depressive spells over not being “smart enough”.

But beauty has never been that important to me. It has gotten more important as I’ve gotten older. But it’s still one of those things I rarely think about it, perhaps to the chagrin of others.

However, I do think I am rather lucky in the looks department. It is possible that I’d be more “beauty-conscious” if I were desparately trying to attract a mate or if I’d grown up hearing “ugly” more frequently than I’d heard “retarded.”

It’s hard to escape this life without feeling self-conscious or insecure over something.

I was bottom-barrel through most of my teen and early twenties, skinny, sallow, prematurely balding, wonky teeth. I looked like a deep-ocean angler fish.

Flat out ignored and dismissed by women socially and romantically. By men, ignored and squeezed out of things like pick-up games, going out to bars, invites to parties, or social hang-outs. The only thing that allowed me any interaction socially was being academically gifted enough to be given attention to by geeky adults or teachers, and athletically gifted enough to get some on-court or on-field respect (though again completely ignored and invisible as soon as the final whistle blew).

I eased into semi-attractiveness in my 20s/30s, and it took me a long time to adjust to interpreting any attention from cool/attractive people as anything but seeking something or manipulating me for a selfish or malicious ulterior motive.

The most painful discord was the hero-to-zero shock of youth and high school sports. Being hugged, adored, and smiled at by the coolest guys and prettiest girls for scrapping for the ball to make an amazing play, to active avoidance disdain and exclusion from the very same in all other settings.

I can’t imagine a situation in which it is good to be unattractive. Attractive people have all the assumptions going for them. Our society equates attractive with good, right or wrong. Unattractive people have to work so much harder at everything than the attractive ones do.

I do agree that there are costs involved in being in the top 1% of attractiveness. A stunningly beautiful woman probably gets lots of unwanted attention from men whom she has not encouraged in any way. She will also get some shade thrown her way from her less attractive sisters, who will assume she’s unlikeable because she’s attractive and who will be reluctant to spend time with someone who will, quite frankly, emphasize the attributes they lack.

I don’t know much about how it works with men, but I assume there is much of the same kind of unwanted attention and shade-throwing on the other side of the gender gap.

Yep.

Yep.

Depends on the guy.

Nope.

I assumed I was unattractive during my teens and most of my twenties, since I never got any attention from girls/women. The only thing different about me appearance wise when I started dating a bit was long hair. Going through my teen and early adult years believing I was too homely for any female to want to be with was hellish, and came close to making me depressed enough to land me in the hospital.

There’s this thing called the ‘pretty girl discount’. I’ve never got it.

Anyway, back when I was in the military, you used to have your picture posted in your promotion folder. Then my service did a statistical study and discovered that good looks were strongly correlated to promotion. I don’t think getting rid of pictures was solely due to that, but it did happen a couple of years later.

See? Nobody asks for my pic when I say I’m ugly! We just don’t get the same social perks, even in doubt!

(Sort of a Rodney Dangerfield thing.)

Isn’t this like asking, “Is it better to be rich or poor?”
Sure, being rich has its drawbacks, but is obviously better.

I’m female and I’m unattractive. I have bad hair, bad skin, am overweight, and I’m a bitch. An old man once lectured me in McDonalds for being “disgusting” while I was eating breakfast. Two years later at that same McDonalds, I was called a “fat cow.” Eh.

It’s true I’m a loner who has time for her hobbies, and it’s probably true that people treat me differently. That’s what people who’ve gone from attractive>unattractive or vice versa say, and it’s confirmed by research.

But I’ve never felt it. I’m well-liked and make friends easily. I’ve been propositioned by adequate numbers of men and women alike. I’ve dated gorgeous women. Maybe men are less lecherous around me, but I certainly still get harassed.

My cousin was beautiful so I knew at an early age, like, 4 or 5, that I was ugly by comparison. I felt ugly my whole life, and definitely felt that I shamed my parents because of it, until I got treatment for it. Not believing I’m beautiful, but facing who I am and accepting it completely, and getting some coping tools. Now I’m just me. Shame, guilt, insecurity… these are all stupid things to feel.

Life continues, man. And life is good.

Very good posts here. Thank you all for sharing. Sunspace, I think we all (meaning men) have had the brain-shorting-out thing happen. It’s like an unconscious subroutine, that interrupts whatever else you’re doing, at least momentarily.

Since so many others have shared their experiences, I’ll share mine: as a kid I was gawky, poorly dressed, and looked like my hair had been cut by somebody using a bowl and scissors. It didn’t really matter. I wasn’t into girls. I wasn’t a “boyish” boy: at school, I had a couple of equally nerdy friends and that’s how I liked it. I was aware other boys were playing baseball, or “kill the queer” or whatever. I just had zero interest in joining them.

Then puberty kicked in. I was still gawky, but now I had acne, too. And I was suddenly, overwhelmingly, unpreparedly, obsessed with girls. I also started a new school, which was much bigger and much more *Lord of the Flies-*ish than the elementary school I’d been going too.

I also made, what was in retrospect, an unmitigated disaster of a decision: I wanted to be popular.

The results were utterly predictable, for anyone who is not a 12-13 year old boy. Instead of getting what I wanted, I became the opposite: a social pariah.

It took a couple of years of unrelenting misery, but I eventually decided to give up on the project, and go my own way. For me, that meant reading (as a means of immediate escape) and grade-grubbing (as a means of eventual escape).

I left my smallish hometown, went to college, and never looked back. Along the way something happened which I was not - at the time - consiously aware of: I became good-looking.

Women were interested in me. Men were interested in me. (There were a lot of gay men at the school I went to.) For me, nothing had changed. I was still the socially-awkward, introverted person I’d always been. So, as far as I was concerned, I took the interest as a sign of grace. I found myself in intimate relationships with women, without even trying.

Obviously, at the time, it was wonderful.

Looking back, I think there was a definite drawback. I never learned how to decide for myself who I was interested in (as opposed to simply choosing among those how seemed interested in me), and (2) I also never learned the separate skill-set involved in pursuing a woman and getting her to like you, despite the ever-present risk of rejection. In other words, I was lazy and fearful (of rejection). I did not realize that at the time, of course.

Anyway, fast-forward twenty years, and my looks have declined. Not substantially, but noticeably. (Specifically, I’ve lost some hair, and what I have left is rapidly turning white. In other words, I look older than I am: man, I miss that long wavy mane of hair I used to have.) I don’t hate my looks when I look in the mirror, but the person I’m looking at is definitely not as attractive as the one I saw 15 years ago.

As far as a noticeable difference: I haven’t really seen one. (I have noticed some of the older women I work with seem friendlier to me, but I have no idea why.)

I will make an admission: in the past, I’ve been guilty of not really seeing a whole class of women (and I’m not talking about women I know, but about strangers) who, for whatever reason, were below some unconscious threshold of attractiveness. I’m not saying I was mean to them, or slammed the door in their faces or anything like that: I’m just saying I just didn’t really notice them. They were “invisible”, as far as my unconscious radar was concerned. I’m trying not to do that.

I still ignore - (while not really ignoring) - especially attractive women, though. They seem not to want strange men to say anything to them. (Which, think, is understandable.) So, of course, I don’t.

I think it is a bit like that, actually.

And I’ll add that being rich does have drawbacks.

On other hand, you never see rich people giving up all their money so they can enjoy the benefits of being poor.

I’m average. For whatever reason I always blend right in, everyone is always nice to me and trusts me and even after I started shaving my head bald, nothing changed. I must have a trusting, unassuming face. Which I find a bit odd because I’m not a people person and try to avoid pointless drivel convo’s with others I don’t know. I can try to divert my attention, even flat out ignore but others still seem to talk to me or behave nicely despite my obvious introverted behavior.
But because of that, I tend to be the guy that beautiful women will immediately friend me and not date. Once your in the friend zone, it’s hard to move past it and I get befriended too quick I think. but I’m married now so I don’t feel the need or desire to focus on how I look.

They say you know your ugly when you get less eye contact from others, I suppose that’s true, I don’t make much eye contact with unattractive people and my attention tends to wonder away if I don’t know them and they are speaking to me for whatever reason.

Speaking of really good-looking people, I just finished reading Robert Wagner’s autobiography, Pieces of My Heart. I was surprised by a comment Wagner made about his experiences having sex with beautiful women (of whom there’ve been many). He says that beautiful women are often passive in bed because they know they’re gorgeous, they know you know they’re gorgeous, and therefore they feel little need to do anything else but be there and be gorgeous. (On the other hand he did say that being with Elizabeth Taylor was like sticking an egg-beater in your brain! :D)

So I’d say that if someone as good-looking as Robert Wagner was (and even at 85 still is) would fail to elicit much passion from the beautiful women in his life, then perhaps those who’ve missed out on romances with beautiful women in life may not have missed out on as much as they might have imagined.

I’ve known a fair number of extremely attractive people in my life, and without exception they’ve all led extremely messy lives full of infidelity, booze, drama, divorce, regret and heartache (the latter inflicted mostly by them). One of them eventually killed herself, and another, a guy and serial cheat, tried to kill himself in a drunken stupor and missed his head when he tried to shoot himself while on his cell phone with one of our mutual friends. The cops found him passed out in his car with the gun in his lap and a bullet hole in the roof of his car.

Yes, in the main it’s great to be attractive and the day-to-day perks are many, but it certainly doesn’t seem to result in the type of happy and fulfilling life that most who are less attractive might be inclined to think it would.

Just a general comment: I think the attitude “I’m married now, so I can quit trying” is often a mistake. People often measure your level of concern, commitment and caring not just by your words, but by your actions.

I think my weight is the only thing that keeps me from being objectively attractive. Apparently I have a decent face, and – despite always being overweight – in my 20s and 30s I never had a problem meeting (objectively) attractive men. It probably helped that I’m funny and nice and outgoing and a firm believer in one-night-stands. :smiley: Hell, even now (at 43) I’m probably more attractive than I think I am, even though a few years ago my weight crossed a line and these days I’m just really fat.

My sample size is admittedly not comparable to Wagner’s, but in the heyday of my one-nighters – when my partners and I were both in our 20s – I definitely found that the better-looking the guy was, the worse he tended to be in bed. My personal theory was that those guys rarely slept with the same woman twice, so they never had a reason to get any better. (A cycle I admit to contributing to: if it’s just a one-night-stand I’m not inclined to provide feedback or constructive criticism.) This does not mean that the average-looking guys were always better lovers, or that good-looking guys were always bad, it was just a trend I noticed. It got to a point where if it seemed like things were going well with a hot stranger I had to decide whether dealing with potentially “meh” sex would be worth it. :wink:

OK, so I’m in a rotten mood and this came out a bit vitriolic. My (advance) apologies. But it could be illuminating, so I’ll take the risk of posting it anyway.

I’ve been on both sides of this debate, and BY FAR I prefer being unattractive. As an attractive female, from the age of 11 or 12 until about 28, I couldn’t walk across the grocery store parking lot without being hooted and hollered at by strangers. It never felt like a compliment, it felt like a threat, or at best an intrusion. Men who were barely in my peripheral vision, total strangers, would wave or shout something, and become enraged if I didn’t respond. Women made up their minds to find something wrong with me, and twisted my words to make me seem stupid or stuck-up, then they gossiped incessantly.

It’s true that men opened doors for me, but they also tried to brush me, or look down my blouse, or ogled my behind as I passed through. (Hint: If there are double doors, we can see your reflexion in the second set jerkwads!) I stopped taking public transportation because I got groped every day. Often more than once. I was constantly being targeted, as a box to be checked, an achievement to be attained, a prize to be won. Never as a person they wanted to get to know.

People considered it my job to be attractive and people at work whose names I barely knew would stop me to tell me what I “should” be wearing or doing with my hair. They just assumed this should be a priority in my life. And yes, the local police let me off without a ticket, but that was mainly because I hadn’t done anything wrong in the first place, they just wanted to ask for my phone number.

I know, I know, you think you’d like being hit on all the time. You think it’s a huge compliment and I should have been grateful. But it’s time-consuming, and frankly not everybody believes you’ve got a perfect right to decide who to spend time with. No matter how nicely you do it, they get mad when you say no. And if you do it too nicely, they refuse to understand, and keep pestering you. Some guys will convince themselves that their only chance of happiness is to get your attention. Not my responsibility.

Think back to that “popular” girl in High School, the one you resent because she never smiled at you, or invited you to her table. When did she agree to take responsibility for your self esteem? Was it really her job to make sure every kid in the school felt blessed by her attention? Did she not have the right to choose her friends as she saw fit? To be lost in her own thoughts as she moved through her day? To be an introvert? Does she owe an apology to every other kid who noticed her? Did you ever just want to walk down a hallway, get your homework done between classes and maybe eat some lunch without your every move and clothing choice being criticized under a microscope? Just being noticed, every minute of every day by the majority of the people you pass by - that’s exhausting!!

Now I can go to the store and nobody holds me responsible for reacting to their needs, or gets mad at me for not upholding my “responsibility” to feed their self-esteem. They don’t startle me with car horns, or making sucking noises (What IS that anyway? Yuck!) I can just go about my business, and if I’m feeling good, I can smile at people and they (even the women!) will smile back.

I learned very early that it pays to be a bit dumpy at work, and I always chose loose and modest clothing. My career really took off though when I hit that balance point where they started to listen to what I was saying instead of being completely concentrated on my appearance. While the last fifteen months have been an unemployment nightmare, I went from under $50k to over $100k within about six years of gaining the weight. And over the last two decades it’s been a huge advantage. (pun intended. :wink: )

I’d like to lose a few pounds, because I’d like to feel strong again, but I have no interest at all in going back to that! Presumably, age will take care of it from here on out. If I could, I would bleach my hair crone white and keep it that way!

TruCelt: You’d definitely be on the “better to unattractive” side, then…?

A couple of questions, if you don’t mind answering:

Where do you live - not specifically, of course - but urban/suburban/small town? Northeast, Southwest?

Do you still see men hooting and hollering? When?

Do you ever, or have you ever looked at a man or woman *becauseI] s/he was attractive?

Is it ever ok to look at someone because they’re attractive?

Please feel free to ignore these questions, if you think they’re intrusive, offensive, or for any other reason.

Just for background: I’m asking because I don’t see the hooting/hollering you were talking about, and my hypothesis is this: it’s a small fraction of the men who do it: >1%. If you’re part of the 99% of men who don’t do it, or hang out with the 1% who do, you’re probably not going to see it.

If you’re a “target”, on the other hand, and you cross paths with 1000 men a week, it going to happen 10 times week. If it’s a 1000 men a day, it’ll be 10 times a day. In other words, from your perspective, it’s a constant, relentless problem. From someone else’s, not so much. Anyway, that’s why I was asking.

No, it’s actually a constant, relentless problem. You don’t see it because you’re a man. It’s not that only a small percentage of men act that way: it’s that the ones who do usually don’t act that way in front of other men.

You should look at this: The Next Time Someone Says They Never See Women Getting Harassed, Show Them This

(The actual title is misleading/incorrect, but the content is right on. Don’t let the bad title distract you.)