What is my five-year-old's problem and why is he hiding it?

His teacher wrote to tell us that instead of eating lunch, for the past three days my kid has been crying uncontrollably. They take him to the nurse’s office and he just lays and cries. He continues crying off and on for the rest of the day.

He says he’s having headaches.

I’ll take him to the doctor but I’m not sure it’s really headaches. Shortly before the teacher had written us, I had noticed he didn’t eat his lunch, and I asked him why. He said “I was crying too much.” I asked him why he was crying, and he became stubbornly reticent to talk about it. He said things like “I just really don’t want to talk about it,” and “Come on, just forget about it” and things like that.

It doesn’t make sense to say that kind of thing if what was bothering him was a headache. It sounds like something is wrong.

I’ve asked him if he’s having problems with kids at school and he insists that’s not happening. He says, as he always has, that he’s “friends with everybody,” and though I haven’t seen him much in the classroom, I’ve seen him with the kids in his class and it really did seem as though he’s the kid that likes everybody and everybody likes him. I’ve seen him with groups of kids who are strangers to him and he’s perfectly social with them–actually, to an extent that seems unaccountable given his genetic heritage. So it doesn’t appear as though he’s either an outcast type or an accidental outcast in his particular classroom situation.

I’ve asked if he just doesn’t like what we’re giving him for lunch and he says that’s not the problem either. He doesn’t usually eat everything we give him, but he never asks for anything else either. I can think of no reason he’d be reluctant to ask about this–he’s typically got no problem making his strong opinions about what he should be given (read requests (read demands)) known in other contexts.

His teacher is always on the ball and proactive, so I’m sure she’d notice if there were some kind of bullying situation happening. And there again, my kid has never shown any reluctance to “tell on” other kids when he thinks they’re doing something wrong. So it surprises me if he’s keeping bullying a secret.

So wtf is going on here?

It might actually be headaches, I guess, but I can’t figure out the unwillingness to talk. He’s never unwilling to talk about sickness or injury in any other context that I know of. If he gets hurt, he tells us.

Anyone experienced anything like this?

He’s five. Five year olds aren’t old enough to be keeping sustained secrets from their parents, are they? :frowning:

Poor kid. :frowning:

Have you considered pulling him out of class for a day and seeing if he has the same problem at home? If he gets upset and cries at home too it might actually be a headache issue but if it doesn’t happen outside of school he might be having issues with bullies or something.

At that age, kids can be upset but not know why. All-day school is a lot for a five year old; I wonder if he’s just tired and having an emotional reaction to that? I wonder if putting him to bed a little earlier in the evening would help?

Was he in all-day care situations before this school year? Is this his first all-day experience without naptime?

Have you had his eyes checked recently? Maybe he’s getting headaches from straining his eyes trying to follow what’s happening in class, and he doesn’t want to talk about it because he thinks he’s being a bad student.

Good thought. I was getting terrible headaches at work years ago, and it turned out that I needed reading glasses.

I take it that he doesn’t cry like this at home.

Is it possible that he’s homesick?

I’m usually the last one to say this, but: High thee to the doctor for some sensible tests. When a little one complains of headaches that are bad enough to cry about, it may be something serious. My cousin’s seven year old had the same issue and he has a small brain tumor. You also need to press him a bit harder for answers. Take the little guy out for ice cream or something and tell him that you are concerned, as you know how bad headaches can be. They make grown men cry too!

He may be constipated.

I remember once when I was young I had a headache for about a week. My mom could not figure out what was wrong. After going to the doctor they finally figured out that I had not had a bowel movement in over a week and that caused the headache.

Maybe that is why he does not want to talk about it.

I think I was about five or six at the time.

I would need to get to the bottom of the crying situation. When he says things like “I just really don’t want to talk about it” that would alarm me in a 5 year old. It could be something serious, like bullying or abuse, or it could be something stupid like he broke some tiny rule and is afraid of punishment. You have checked with all the adults, now I think you need to get him to tell you for real what is bothering him - maybe if you grant him immunity first.

I’m guessing something digestive. I had a kid at the daycare that was afraid to eat because he kept pooping himself due either to some condition or medication to treat it. Maybe your kid is having bowel/bladder control problems and doesn’t want to talk about it.

Have you talked to the teacher, or have you just assumed she’d be proactive?

This sounds sort of worrisome to me. I’d take him to the doctor for sure.

I agree with Acid Lamp that you need to take your son to the doctor ASAP. There are about a million things it could be, some of them serious (physical or mental). Hopefully it will be something simple but you have to check it out.

Another one checking in to say that if the kid is complaining about headaches you need to get the medical side checked out. Adults often downplay headaches and tummy aches in kids, but if he’s having them every day that’s NOT normal no matter how mild or severe.

As for drawing his secrets out - you’ll have to take the advice of Dopers with kids. However, even a child-free adult such as myself is aware that 5 year olds are just not as articulate as adults. “I don’t want to talk about it” may really mean “I don’t know how to talk about it”

Really? Wow, I did not know that.

I’ve been so constipated that not only was I afraid I was going to die, but almost wished I had. But my pain was not in my head.

You seem to asked all the questions but one “Has a teacher or another adult hurt you?”

Also, find out about the daily schedule, what happens immediately after lunch? We had a girl at school who always went a little nuts during the after-lunch break. Decades later I found out that our gym teacher had been abusing the children. And gym for us was right after lunch. . .

I also suffered from really severe headaches during third grade. It turned out there was a leak in the bus allowing carbon dioxide into the passenger compartment. It took a very long time to track down the problem.

Please be very assertive and keep pushing for an answer. Whatever this is, that level of crying is not normal, and should not go unaddressed.

ETA: Another thought - check his tongue. Is there a crease down the middle of it? If so he’s dehydrated. Get him re-hydrated (glass of water every 30 minutes until his tongue is flat and smooth.) and then ask the teacher to encourage him to get a drink of water half-wya through each morning.

I used to get headaches from going to Sunday school at elementary age. That was because it was so incredibly boring, and an obvious waste of time. That is not meant to diminish the seriousness of your son’s problem. I ended up getting EEGs because I wasn’t going to tell my parents I was just bored and risk an aching ass. So it may be difficult to get your son to open up about some things. Just consider all the possibilities and make sure he feels safe talking to you or others about it.

Oh, and change something. Even if there’s no discernable cause, don’t keep putting him in this situation. A lack of kindergarten is much less important than unnecessary suffering.

Getting headaches right at lunch time and doesn’t want to eat? Sounds a lot like me. He may just have extremely low blood sugar. When is lunch hour? How long after breakfast? Is there a morning snack?

If I don’t have something in my tummy every three hours, I get a headache. Take it to four and I do not want to eat because my stomach hurts. Makes me nearly want to cry sometimes so I can totally see it in a five year old.

Try feeding him breakfast later (if possible) and ask that he gets a snack before lunch. Could help.

My son had this problem once, too, about six or seven months ago. He hadn’t had a bowel movement in about four or five days and got really, really cranky. When I asked what was wrong, he complained that his stomach, his butt and his head hurt. Turns out he’d been getting lots of junk food at pre-school (I think they had a school party one day, then a bunch of kids had birthdays in quick succession and all brought in cakes and other stuff), and it was close to his birthday, so he was getting it at home, too. We rarely eat junky stuff at home, so it really messed with his system.

Still, I definitely think the OP should talk to the doctor, the kid and the teachers more. Is this something that occurs only during lunch or does it happen at other times of the day, too? What’s his behavior like during activities? Is it different than it has been? Have you noticed anything different at home? Is there anything different going on with your family (new baby, divorce, other major change)? I also agree with asking him whether any adults have been inappropriate with him.

First see if it happens during the weekend as someone mentioned before. If that goes well offer to take him home or to a park for lunch for a few days during the week. If that goes well eat with him at school. One thing might have freaked him out one time and now he’s scared it will happen again, like eating lunch made him have to poop and he won’t poop at school. This was my first thought, I have two boys and they would not poop at school ever.

Get his vision checked.

I will assume they have snack time in the morning. If they don’t consider the low blood sugar thing and he’s somehow associated that with eating lunch, not with going without food for too long. Make sure he has some protein for breakfast so it will stay around longer.

what was it like over the weekend? Any trouble with lunch or sadness?

This might be worth pursuing. He might be thinking that if he has lunch he’ll poop or pee in his pants, so he’d rather starve . . . which can lead to headaches. Or perhaps he’s shy about using the bathroom at school. Ask his teacher if he’s been going to the bathroom as regularly as the other kids. And does he use the bathroom as soon as he gets home?