What is too old for parenthood?

This might be more suitable to an Ask Uncle Cecil column, but…

I’m in my late(st) 30s and while I’ve had a couple of serious (non live-in) relationships I’ve never been married. I’m now starting to think about possibly making time to debate considering it with the person I’m with, whom I love truly/madly/deeply, but…

Other, who’s 8 years younger than me, wants kids and I’m not so sure. After living on my own for 20 years, hooking up domestically is going to be enough of a jolt that I’d like at least a couple of years to adjust, then there’s the issue of you don’t always get pregnant on your first try, so by the time the first Mini-Me comes around I’ll be in my forties. I love kids, and there was a time I just assumed I’d have them, but now I think that 40something’s a bit long in the tooth to start a project that ambitious.

(Autobio sidenote: my own father was 53 when I was born [I’m the youngest of eight kids by two marriages], and while he wasn’t a prizewinning father I don’t think it had anything to do with his age. However, there is an embarassment to having the oldest father at a school function, or risking a stroke whenever you play football.)

I know that Tony Randall and Anthony Quinn and Saul Bellow all became dads long after most of their contemporaries were fertilizing day lilies (Bellow’s most recent kid was born when he was 86- there are younger dads in Genesis), but I think it’s very inconsiderate to the child to begin something you probably won’t finish. The forties is more of a gray area. What do you think- what’s the latest you think most men should consider parenthood? And do you think it’s selfish when somebody who’s not middle aged but flat out old (like Clint Eastwood, Larry King, etc.) makes a diaper jockey?

You’re never too old for parenthood. You can’t go by an arbitrary age cutoff, because there are people who are parents at the “safe” age of, say, 25, who don’t live to see their kids go to college, either.

As for Senior Citizens changing diapers, I say, “More power to 'em.” Scientists tell us that as long as you keep learning things, keep your mind active, it slows down the aging process, and I’m here to tell you there’s nothing quite as educational, or as “active”, as dealing with your children. :smiley: It’s a real learning experience.

I’ve known plenty of people with older parents (had kids in their mid-fourties). They never had any more problems than anyone else had. Heck, I know plenty of kids that were raised by their grandparents. I say go for it.

And, if things go badly, at least they’ll get an inheritance early. =).

My personal opinion?

Anything past 40.

My own personal limit is 32. I do not want to be in my 50s with a teenager in the house. I want to actually enjoy having the house and my husband all to myself before we get old and start to fall apart.

I have never been bothered by the fact that my parents were in my late thirties when I was born (and mid-forties when my youngest sibling was). You’re probably not going to die of old age before age sixty (does that happen at all? I tried to find a cite but was unsuccessful), so I would go ahead and do it if you’re ready for the challenge.

Yes, but at age 25 (or even 50, for that matter), most people can reasonably say that odds are in their favor that they will live to see their kids go to college. There’s always the chance that a person might not live that long, but unless one has serious health problems at a fairly young age, most people in developed countries will live to see age 43 or age 68. However, at age 70, one’s life expectancy in the United States is approximately 15 years.

While it’s great to learn things from children and to keep one’s mind active in their older years, it can be done through forming close relationships with grandchildren, or other people’s children. It isn’t necessary for a man to go off and have a child at age 70 just because they want to have children, and it certainly isn’t fair to the child to know that odds are that their father will die by the time they are 16.

I don’t see a problem with having children in one’s 40s, given that one is in decent health, but I find it incredibly self-serving to have children when chances are slim that you will see them into adulthood.

(Autobio side note response: Sampiro, I’m my dad’s youngest of 7 by two marriages myself. After a while, I got so sick of the embarrassed and shocked responses that I got when saying how old my dad would have been were he alive and how old he was when I was born (much older than 53) that I eventually got to a point where I simply didn’t mention anything in connection with age and my father.)

I am not going to say that it is completely wrong to have kids at an advanced age but it is certainly not the ideal. The biggest problem that I have is women who want to have children but purposely put off getting pregnant into their late 30’s or later for career or other self-serving reasons. I firmly believe that a women that wants kids should sit down at age thirty and figure about how this is going to need to figure out how to get there. If there is no prospective father in sight, then that alone could take a few years to resolve unless a sperm bank withdrawal is an exeptable choice for her if Mr. Dad never shows. The risk of difficulty in conception, miscarriage, Down syndrome and other complications start to rise after a women is 35. The most responsible thing for a mother-to-be or couple is to create a realistic plan to become pregnant before 35. If something goes very wrong, there is still some time to try again. Any good plan needs that contingency. Planning to be done with pregnancy by mid to late thirties means that a miscarriage or two won’t mean that the window of opportunity will close forever.

Biologically, thre isn’t anything wrong, not on the male end, anyway. Psychologically, you sound like you know you want children, are concerned with their future well-being, and want a stable relationship. I’ve heard and seen worse. Go for it!

My parents were 40 and 44 when I was born.
I think that should be the cutoff ages.
If you are elderly and tired, and your child wants to go out and play ball or something with you, you can’t.
Children should have younger parents.
My parents are old enough to be my grandparents.
All my cousins are 10+ years older than I; when we got together, I had no one to play with or talk to.

My parents were on the older side - 34 and 32 when they married and started having kids. I am the youngest of 4.

I was 28-31 when my 3 kids were born. Today, at 41, I know I did not have the energy I had 10 years ago. And babies/toddlers/preschoolers require TONS of energy. Tho there are problems (and joys) at all ages, with teenagers, at least they can make their own breakfast and wipe their own butts!

When I see my contemporaries with very young kids, I am glad I am past that stage. Of course, folks who waited were perhaps able to enjoy single life at a time when I was changing diapers. But they will be paying for college long after I am done. I will be eligible for full retirement at age 56 - right around when my youngest will have finished with undergrad. I plan on staying in reasonable health and having quite a few good years thereafter. And I may be selfish, but I hope my “golden years” include dandling grandbabies on my knee and boring them with stories about “When I was your age…”

So there is no good or bad - it is just personal choice.

On the downside, tho, all but one of my grandparents had died before I was born and the sole grandpa I had died at 83 when I was 8. And my parents both died a couple of years ago in their mid-70s. I envy my contemporaries who enjoy happy and healthy parents - and even grandparents. So by waiting, you are definitely reducing your kids’ chances for relationships with grandparents, and possibly even you.

all my grandparents had died by the time I was 3, so I never knew them.

Actually, there is an increased risk of probs with paternal age, as well. It turns out that a portion of the risks associated with maternal age are actually relevant to paternal age. Usually, the guy is older, and that increases the risks as the woman ages because her partner is aging and older than she. If the man is younger, what had been categorized as the woman’s risks of general genetic disorders in offspring are slightly lower than the average at the upper age brackets.

For the social/familial/structural issues, if there is an age difference between the parents, then the issue is somewhat moderated by that - one parent older, one younger bothers me less than both older. I have a friend (ex-boyfriend) who is … late 40’s I think. Yeah, almost 50. His wife is almost 30. They just had their first child. He struggled with the concept, worried that he’d be too old, concerned with the risks, etc. But honestly, I can’t imagine him NOT having kids, and he tried to get going on having kids long before 30 (previous wife didn’t want them, I think, and several relationship disasters in between then and now). He’s a great guy, and an utterly devoted daddy. Yeah, he’s going to run out of steam somewhat before his wife does. But he is still going to be a great dad for many years to come, and has enough energy at this point to seem pretty much like all the mid-30’s dads I know.

This strikes me as the same issue as the terminal disease one - if someone has a terminal disease that is likely to kill them in oh, 10-20 years, should they have kids? How about 2 years? How about 30 years with increasing levels of disability in the meantime? And how do you decide? You can only assess on an individual basis, IMHO.

I know of people who went out of their way to have kids even though there was a high risk of an illness in the father being terminal within 5 years. They felt that having kids together was important, regardless of whether he was terminal. They decided to go on living their lives, and deal with the issues as they came up. Some peopel disagree with the concept, but it is really a matter of what you find to be most important - using the time you have, or hedging against the time you don’t. And even with the hedging, it isn’t a guarantee - a new treatment, or this treatment being successful, and that dad could easily live decades (they already had two kids, BTW, just added one more after diagnosis). Putting off a critical choice like when/whether to have kids based on an unknown, even if there is a reasonable probability, isn’t necessarily ideal, either. It is a matter of where your priorities are - in living your life on a daily basis, or on planning for the unknowns. You certainly can’t plan for unknonws once you HAVE kids, though. Also, the decision is based one whether your goals are related to the child’s needs, or your needs as an individual, or even your collective needs as a (potential) family.

Overall, I don’t advise having kids if you don’t know you want them, though having them (regardless) often cures the lack of certainty, usually in a good way, sometimes not. But if you decide you want them, or think there’s a good probability of that, age in your partner and yourself is a factor to consider. I had a cutoff for health/genetics issues - we wanted three kids. So we counted back from my top age for conception (preference: 37), factored in some time for conception to occur (85% conceive w/in a year, but many take 6-9 months), and counted back based on general preference for age-between-kids. That meant trying at 29. Period. We planned, and didn’t have enough financial stability at 29. So I got pregnant the following year. Good thing we factored in the excess, and that it took me no time at all to get pregnant… Over planned? probably. But I felt it was unfair to both me and the child to push the risks too far up the ladder on my age (epeepunk is younger than I am, so that isn’t an issue).

An absolute age limit is unreasonable, IMHO. It has to be individual. For some people, 40 will be way too old. For others, 60 isn’t too old. Yeah, we could say that any age where you don’t expect to live at least 18 more years, is potentially selfish - though some would still disagree. But degree of interaction, energy, ability, health, etc., is too narrow a view, IMHO. Under that restriction, people with disabilities should never have kids, regardless of their ability level. Should people with MS not have kids? How about parapalegics? Can’t run about, catch a racing toddler, don’t have the energy to play baseball in the yard until dark, might not be able to make it to every school function… same applies to older fathers (or mothers).

The biggest issue here is probably the health of the child. But there’s always adoption. And no guarantee that she’ll even still be fertile at that age.

Good luck working it out. I don’t think you are technically too old, even on the long-range-plan. But holding out that long increases other risks, too. You may have to compromise if you want to take the relationship further. And by then, you as an individual may be too old, for your life and your situation. No telling from here, is there?

My father was 50 when I was born, and my mother 35. Having older parents was great because they had more wisdom and life experience and were more easygoing about things that freaked younger parents out–for example, my father had no problem with my sister and I wearing miniskirts, as his mother had been a flapper in the 1920s.

Daddy died when I was 22, and Mama when I was 38. I miss them, of course, but I don’t think that those are unreasonable ages to lose your parents.

Do you all remember the Italian fertility doctor who helped a 59 year old woman have twins, and then a 62 woman have a baby boy?

New science can push back the age at which women can conceive to unimaginable levels.

How late is too late?

One of the guys from the old Star Trek series … can’t remember which one … got his wife pregnant about a year ago. He’s in his 80s, she’s in her 40s, I think.

Now, granted, this baby was obviously a big surprise, but I feel so sorry for that kid. Chances are dear old Dad will be dead before he/she hits 5.

Yes, parents die young all the time, and it’s tragic. It’s also equally tragic to see people bring kids into the world when there is a decent possibility that they won’t live to see the kids hit adulthood … such as the case of this 59 year old mom of twins or the 62 year old Italian woman.

But then again, we unfortuately live in a time where what is best for the kid takes a backseat to what the adults want.

I don’t see how older parents is exactly a “bad thing.” Sure, if one were looking for a perfect scenario, you might specify youthful, healthy, well-balanced, intelligent, economically solvent, and moral parents. Maybe even good looking as well.

But depending on the totality of factors, it may not be so terrible for a child to have one of his/her parents die when the child is relatively young because they were elderly when the child was conceived. Especially when you weigh that child’s existence to what it would NOT have been had the parents refrained fom conception. Moreover, though the child may not have unlimited time with the parent, don’t devalue the love and instruction that can be communicated in a relatively short time.

If an older parent is able to provide for the child’s care and nurture in the case of the parent’s death, I feel it comes down to personal choice.

WV Woman,

What if the parents are young but have a potentially lethal disease? Should they not have children?

What if they are well, but due to a genetic test the mother knows she has a high probablility of getting breast cancer soon?

So many ethical issues…

If you feel up to it, do it no matter what age. But if you feel it will be too much, give it some thought, because you’ll have to live with the decision for the rest of your life!

My father was 40 when I was born, I’m 40 now, he’s still around, and my wife and I are going to have twins in March. I’ll be 41.

My father’s career was pretty established by the time I came along, so I was always comfortable and there were no major struggles as far as money was concerned, as far as I could tell. That wasn’t the case when my sisters were born 4 and 5 years earlier. He’d travel sometimes but generally he was a 9-5 guy and always had time to do stuff with me. So no, 40 is not too old.

As for myself being a father at this ripe old age, I wish I had as much energy as I did 10 years ago. Then again 10 years ago I had no business even owning a goldfish. We started trying to have a child maybe 4 years ago and here we are about to have twins! I freely admit that by and large I have no idea what I’m getting into but I feel I’m much more ready for whatever comes down the pike emotionally and financially than I would have been back in my prime baby-having days.

Some people, if given the choice, might have chosen not being conceived at all over losing a parent at a young age.

Yes, but what if that age is so advanced that you can only expect to have to live with the decision for perhaps 5, 10 or 15 years? What sort of impetus is that then for making wise decisions about parenthood?