What is Trump's current health?

The most unbelievable part of that report is that he scored 30 out of 30 on the Montreal cognitive protocol. If you believe that, there is a very fine bridge I’d like to sell you. More to the point, it suggests the entire report is a crock of lies.

It’s also not a flex to say you’ve taken the MoCA four times. It means your neurological deterioration is being tracked. It is absurd to say that anyone would ever take this test just for fun or just to show off how smart they are compared to others (which isn’t what it measures anyway).

Exactly. It’s clear that not only can Trump not accept that he is in anything less than excellent health, but that his ego demands that he is in the best health, the most perfect health…and it also means that he demands that public statements on his health reflect this.

A google search turned up a test analogous to the MoCA you can take at home just for shits and giggles.

For peace of mind and guidance

XpressO is a simple-to-use app that quickly tests memory and brain performance. It was conceived by neurologist, Dr. Ziad Nasreddine, who created the renowned “MoCA Test.”

The MoCA Test is a medical screening tool used by health professionals worldwide for early detection of mild cognitive impairment or MCI. The XpressO, on the other hand, was specifically designed to empower the general public to easily test themselves at home on their own device.

How come there was no mention of the # of golf tournaments won?

Because “all of them” is not a number. :distorted_face:

Yes. This test is done at the request of doctors, who generally only do this when there is a concern that a patient is declining cognitively. It’s not a routine test. It would be done, for instance if someone in a long term care facility needed to be tested to see if they needed to be moved to the locked memory unit.

Doing this repeatedly every few months is a definite red flag that the doctors are monitoring a definite decline, or they are assessing the effects of a drug being used to slow dementia.

He should play a round with the North Korean dictator. I hear his father got 11 holes-in-one the first time he ever played. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

And it was only a nine-hole course! Let Donnie beat that!

:in_hole:

I heard Obama can hold his breath underwater for ten minutes!

I also heard that Putin lights a Molotov cocktail and then drinks it! That’s what a REAL leader does!

Kim Jong Un, as everyone knows, can jump out of an airplane at 30,000 feet and then land safely without a parachute. But Trump’s just too much of a pussy to do that. Aren’t you, Mr. President? Aren’t you…?

Moderating:

A reminder to the thread, this is a P&E thread about Trump’s current health. You can of course doubt the factuality of the reports, but let’s keep the cracks from taking over the thread again - as @Aspenglow mentioned the last time this happened 6 months ago.

More telling, at least to me, is not so much whether trump scored well on the Montreal cognitive assessment or not, as the fact that his doctors saw fit to test him with it 4 times in the span of like 18 months. Nobody would be prompted to take the test that often if there wasn’t clear concern as to the patient’s mental wellness.

And trump is clearly going off the rails mentally; anybody who isn’t a brainwashed trumper can clearly see that. But the question is, as has been much speculated on these boards and elsewhere, is his mental decline a symptom of oncoming dementia, or rampant malignant narcissism (and possibly other categories in the DSM-5) left completely unchecked by any guardrails as he keeps getting away with increasingly outlandish words and actions? Or possibly some combination of both, of course.

It’s easy to have a perfect score on the Montreal assessment if you don’t have dementia, or if it’s in its very early stages. That doesn’t mean the patient does not have some other serious mental illness(es).

Factual question: are the questions on the Montreal test always the same or are there a set of questions that they can randomly select to give the patient? If they’re always the same, could someone be extensively prepped for the test just before taking it?

If they had the memory capacity to be prepped for the test, they wouldn’t need to be prepped for the test in the first place.

Good question. I’ve wondered that as well. I don’t think it changes, at least not all that much, probably because it’s not really intended to be taken on a semi-regular basis.

What is the source for the information that he took it four times: Trump sez, or a valid source?

If that is true, I’ll pass at least one of the questions no matter how far my mind is gone. How could I ever forget “person, man, woman, camera, tv”?

Well, the direct source is often Trump, yes, but this article from last year indicates that his physicians have also confirmed that he took the test.

So, yes, he’s been publicly bragging about taking the tests, but his physicians have also been corroborating that he’s taken them.

I did a full workup for MCI last year. The MoCA was like the 15 minute warm-up round of what was a 4 hour ordeal.

IME as a non-professional …
Anyone who can’t ace a MoCA is significantly obviously impaired and everyone around them already knows it. Beyond “30 or fail” the only purpose of the MoCA is to quickly and roughly measure the current degree of impairment and change over time.

I also suppose that once somebody is scoring WAG <25 on MoCA, most of the rest of the standard long MCI testing protocol is useless; the person will flub it so utterly as to be uninformative.

Much like asking me to lift a 400lb weight won’t tell you much about my strength. And trying again with 380lbs won’t tell you any more.