Did someone say bar? What time?
Just use the double monkey punch. It’s a well-vetted technique.
And, yes, this was just about my favorite thread ever.
Nitpick from the Left Coast:
“Bitching” = complaining
"Bitchin’ " = great. Gotta drop that g.
Noticing our OP made himself scarce…and avoided direct questions about prior posting hx under another moniker.
Wendell Wagner wrote:
>The five monkeys in a cage grabbing for bananas and getting sprayed story is
> not told as a parable. It is told in management books and presentations as the
>exact account of a scientific experiment which needs to be explained to
> managers or prospective managers who can’t be bothered to look at the
> original article. Reading scientific articles is the job of those fussy technical
> people who understand details, which of course isn’t the job of managers. You
>can’t allow technical people to be managers, of course, since that would get in
> the way of understanding the big picture (and, more importantly, fitting that big
> picture in a pre-established management paradigm). You can’t even allow
> technical people to directly talk to the managers, since their understanding of
> details might pollute the minds of the managers and prevent them from
> worrying about the big picture. You have to have a level of people between
> those technical people and the managers whose job is to wildly oversimplify
> and distort the ideas that the technical people are trying to get across. That
> way these intermediate people can sufficiently stretch the true detailed story
> enough to make it fit into the pre-existing mindset of the managers.
>Look, you want to look as the five monkeys in a cage grabbing for bananas and
> getting sprayed story as a parable? O.K., let’s look what lesson that story (as
> told in the OP and various management books and presentations) seems to be
> preaching: It’s saying that at one point long ago in your corporation someone
> tried something new. It didn’t work out. After that point, everyone else in the
> corporation was afraid to try new things. It didn’t matter that eventually
> everyone who actually saw the new idea not work out has since left. Just the
> collective memory that a new idea didn’t work has prevented people from trying
>new ideas. So, the management consultant says, you should try new ideas all
> over the place. Think outside of the box. Change everything, no matter how
> much it seems to threaten the corporation. Your whining that the new idea
> might destroy the organization is like the monkeys complaining that at one
> point they got sprayed with a hose.
>That’s a fairly terrible management lesson. Furthermore, it doesn’t teach most
> people anything new and useful. Any intelligent person and any intelligent
> corporation (and any intelligent institution at all) knows already that sometimes
> but not always new ideas are useful. You should try them if they seem
> reasonable. Occasionally they won’t work, but that’s a chance you should
> take. You have to make a compromise between never changing and always
> changing everything. There’s no really good rule for when changing is best.
>Furthermore, the story in the OP has almost nothing with the point that the OP
>was trying to make. The story is not about monkeys quarreling for no reason at
> all. It was about monkeys beating newcomers to their cage because those
>newcomers don’t understand something that happened before. Even taken as
> a parable, it’s not a parable applicable to the point the OP was trying to make.
QuickSilver wrote
>This.
>It’s too long and I didn’t read any of it. But I’m certain it’s something highly
> relevant and worth repeating for everyone’s benefit.
Agreed.
No, it’s really not. Shocking as it may seem to you, most of the folks here aren’t five years old and don’t automatically assume anyone who disagrees with them on one point is a doody head whose other opinions are automatically worthless. The handful who are psychologically five years old and dismiss us and our doody-head opinions…well, we could give a flying fuck what someone like that thinks.
With a toned-down vocabulary and the addition of taking them to a psychologist instead of just suggesting it, yeah. Compulsive tendencies that can hinder one’s social and psychological development need to be addressed and if possible overcome, because the greater world sure as shit won’t cater to them. And if you think this insatiable need to argue someone over to your side, no matter the relative merits of the views, doesn’t hinder social development and make people hate hate HATE being around you…you’re wrong.
I just wanted to say I like this post a lot.
OP, you’ll find a whole bunch of people here who don’t participate in the Pit (much) and who rarely swear at other Dopers. I go out of my way to try not to. I have no problem with those who do; it’s just not my style.
You could also, I don’t know, be mature and stay out of the Pit if you don’t like it’. It’s reaaaaally easy.
As my wing monkey, I have to note you’re really not helping out the cause here Truman…
Sorry, pal. I guess that was less than bitchin’ of me:)
Quit your bitching.
Day six. Wet. Tired. Confused.
He Who Brought Us Here has vanished and the sacred banana has been desecrated.
Females unreceptive to mating overtures.
Journalistic integrity in the chronicling of these events derided as gratuitous whining.
Boon companions too busy to indulge in anxiety reducing mutual grooming.
Will the sun rise tomorrow?
A message board where apes evolved from trolls?
God, I miss get lives.
Damn dirty trolls.