He has a long history of that.
And flinging shit on American leftists with the other?
I am an American leftist.
Firstly, I never said Israel has the right to “take” Gaza.
Secondly, are you arguing that Hamas is not evil?
Self-described, but hardly posting like one. Hence the call-out.
Aren’t you famously the poster who condemned Harriett Tubman and MLK Jr for using unapproved means against fighting against slavery and segregation? Who would turn in run away slaves to face almost certain torture or death because they “broke the law”?
I guess only you get to decide?
I thought that was Max_S? (I mean, it definitely was, but was it also Smapti?)
Yes, I was. That was almost ten years ago now and I am willing to admit that I was wrong.
So, is this thread a place to rehash arguments from other threads? If so, it has immediately lost 99% of its interest for me.
Yeah, it’s right there in the OP.
LOL I was going to say the same thing.
I think Max just made a general comment that he felt that escaped slaves needed to be brought to justice because they were breaking the law.
Woah, I never condemned Harriet Tubman or MLK Jr.
~Max
I don’t think you ever did directly, no.
This is great to hear. I think you might also a bit wrong about Israel - not that Hamas is evil, or they should be destroyed, but in your eagerness to cheerlead Israel’s campaign, and apparent unwillingness to admit the IDF could be making mistakes. This is the same Israeli government that’s doing nothing while settlers in the West Bank brutalize their Palestinian neighbors with no consequence, and deliberately put policies into place that allowed Hamas to grow and thrive. They’ve earned criticism and skepticism, and at should all be watching them very carefully and not giving them so much benefit of the doubt for the incredible destruction they’ve wrought on Gazan civilians.
Exactly. From what I remember of Max’s philosophy, it would say that both Tubman and King were immoral actors because they advocated against the rule of law.
Let’s not forget all these other red flags that were cause for concern before they were effectively overshadowed by coverage of the present conflict and the intelligence failures that led to it:
This should be a lesson to us all: when a corrupt, fascist, authoritarian comes in and insists he should be elected because he can “Make [the Nation] Great Again” and he’s the only person with the strength and the will to keep [the Nation] safe from “terrorists,” he’s full of shit. And will likely as not be bombing hospitals before his term is up.
There aren’t jerseys for Team Good and Team Evil. People aren’t Dungeons and Dragons extraplanar beings whose alignment is tied to their essence. People are good or evil in the moment based on their actions moment by moment.
The members of Hamas who murdered babies are evil because they murdered babies. But Hamas held a vicelike grip on Gaza and ran the entire government, so (if I understand the government structure under Hamas) there were other members of Hamas who provided healthcare at hospitals, and they weren’t evil: they were people doing good deeds in an evil system.
Saying “It is permissible for the forces of good to use whatever means are necessary to defeat evil” is gibberish, due to that word “whatever.” The forces of good don’t have team jerseys; they’re only good as long as they don’t do “whatever.” The moment they do something evil, they’re no longer the forces of good.
I was pretty mild in the other thread, because it’s not the pit, but here I can say: you’re on team evil, and you’ll be there until you stop advocating evil acts. Team evil isn’t IDF, and team evil isn’t Hamas: team evil is the people who commit evil acts, and those who support them.
WTF.
Sometimes, there are worse things than breaking the law. Slavery is a really good example.
I wouldn’t have thought this had to be said, but since it does, you said it well.
As we can see looking around the USA on many topics, one hell of a lot of people totally buy into the team t-shirt model of interpersonal interactions, politics, and international relations.
Under stress, humans are herd animals and many folks just run for the center of what they perceive as their protective herd with no thought to any other considerations. “Me scared” is exactly equivalent to “Them evil”.
In quantity, we are not a deeply thoughtful species. A fault we may not collectively survive.
It is also always possible for both sides to be bad guys (see also: Stalin vs Hitler).