In case anyone isn’t motivated to go back and read the exchange, his flippant assholery was not just in response to someone who had been called that term, but a person who had been called that while being whipped by apartheid police.
I don’t know how that level of shittiness doesn’t merit a warning.
It was. I was really busy yesterday, and dealt with that post quickly, without putting a ton of thought into my moderation beyond, “shit, he shouldn’t have said THAT.”
But i issued a warning for it this morning.
Fap. Fap. Fap.
Well done!
Ugh …
Regarding Kavanaugh, according to @Sage_Rat pushing a woman onto a bed grinding against her and trying to tear her clothes off against her will, might all just be a harmless non-sexual prank, or simple accident. So long as there wasn’t an actual criminal conviction its all good.
I don’t have the energy to pit this with the full vitriol that it deserves, so I will let his words speak for themselves.
For the record here is what Ford herself said about the encounter.
I was pushed onto the bed and Brett got on top of me. He began running his hands over my body and grinding his hips into me. I yelled, hoping someone downstairs might hear me, and tried to get away from him, but his weight was heavy. Brett groped me and tried to take off my clothes. He had a hard time because he was so drunk, and because I was wearing a one-piece bathing suit under my clothes. I believed he was going to rape me.
But maybe she was mistaken and he just accidentally fell against her. 
“She ran onto my dick. She ran onto my dick ten times!”
That’s what I said? Are you sure? Are you being honest?
That’s fair, it seems you actually said as long as he didn’t stick his penis in her while she was screaming and trying to get away, then it’s all good.
Excusing sexual assault by any means necessary. Excusing not voting to impeach a blatant insurrectionist in the McConnell thread by shitting on the impeachment managers. What’s the last part of the “I’m an absolute shitball” trifecta gonna be?
OK then what the fuck are you saying?
My parsing of what you said is that unless I think that there is sufficient evidence that a DA would arrest and prosecute him for rape, this incident shouldn’t be held against him when considering his fitness for the supreme court (i.e. its all good).
I guess I should have characterized your statement “So long as there wasn’t actually a criminal prosecution for rape it’s all good” but that is splitting hairs.
If this isn’t what you are saying then please clarify.
Let’s imagine that I ask Penny, “Do you think it was right for Trump to appointing someone who had been convicted of bribing politicians to serve as the chair the RNC finance committee?”
Now, rather than answering, Penny goes on a rant that I’m part of the Deep State, a pedophile, a psycho, that I’m making shit up, that I approve of the Democratic Jew bankers who are running the world, etc.
What should be my response to Penny? I’d personally vote that the correct answer is just to ask her the question again. I have no duty to bow to her nonsense or let nonsense win over sanity and the better of the world.
There’s a lot of nonsense and double-think that goes into being a partisan. And a leading path to staying in that zone is to focus more on the motivations of the asker rather than on the question asked. Clearly, no one would ever ask a reasonable question without ill intent, after all.
What if there is no ill intent? What if saying that it’s possible to stay skeptical in the absence of reasonable evidence is just being reasonable?
Would you put Kavanaugh in jail?
Perhaps not. But I wouldn’t put him on the Supreme Court either.
Yeah, but what’s the price of rice in China?
We’ve been down that road with women and rape accusations. Where we say it’s more important to protect the man’s reputation than to believe a woman who says she was violated. Where we say it’s “reasonable” to think a woman is going to bare herself in front of the world, testify in front of the Senate, (or to police) with an accusation that is a bunch of lies.
It’s a bad road.
Would you put Kavanaugh in jail?
No since he hasn’t been prosecuted and convicted. This incident was among the 70% of sexual assaults that go unreported and among the 94% of sexual assaults that don’t result in convictions. But as Love_Rhombus stated I wouldn’t put him on the supreme court either.
As for the rest of your post, comparing me (I guess, its not really clear what you were trying to say with your analogy) to someone ranting about Deep state pedophiles, I didn’t pit you for partisan reasons I pitted you because you claimed that someone being: pushed onto the bed, gotten on top of, groped, and grinded against, while having to resist having their clothes taken off while they were yelling, might just be an innocent mistake.
If you want to believe that Ford, and all the other women who claimed similar behavior are all liars that is your prerogative. I find it highly unlikely but at least its possible. But claiming that the incident occurred but that it was innocent and misinterpreted is a whole new level of misogyny.
Which was also my position.
Did I say that? Is that truly, honestly what I said?
It’s all written down and stored for eternity on the Internet. You know exactly where to look to find a quote. Is that what I said?
Are you being honest?
I would not. Even if there were enough evidence to convict, there’s probably a statute of limitations on rape charges.
I’m fact, my mother though he had committed sexual assault, but it was long enough ago that it shouldn’t disqualify him from serving on the supreme Court. (She thought his behavior towards the Senate should have disqualified him, though. A present problem, not a long-ago problem.)
But there are all sorts of qualifications i look for in an employee, and frankly, i reject potential employees if there’s a moderate likelihood of a problem. I use a lower standard of evidence for hiring people than i would in a civil trial, let alone a criminal one. Especially if it’s a position where it will be hard to remove the employee, and where the employee’s contribution is critical.
So i would certainly have removed him from consideration as a Supreme Court Justice.
Also, fwiw, Kavanough is close to my age, and i know a lot of people who went to Yale. It turns out i know a lot of people who hung out in Kavanough’s crowd. So i know that Ford isn’t the only woman to name this kind of claim about him, she’s just the only one willing to risk public humiliation by saying so in a public forum. I’m quite certain he committed sexual assault. But no, i wouldn’t send him to prison.
No I am not saying that you said that. If you had said that I would have rolled my eyes but not bothered pitting you. What you said was worse, that something happened but that it could all have just been innocent and they just misinterpreted it.