What were you THINKING?

I’m also confused about where we should discuss the current state of self-driving if not in a thread about self-driving? I know the thread was about it not being ready for decades, but shouldn’t we discuss where it is today?

My local McDonald’s definitely skews toward the younger side. Maybe a few actual high schoolers in there, but if I were to guess most of the staff seems to be in there early to mid twenties. Managers are always recognizable because they’re a good 10 to 15 years older than everybody else. Again that’s just a couple of my local McDonald’s.

I did my time in a Wendy’s when I was in my early twenties. Two and a half years. I will never go back to doing that. The actual cooking is not difficult it’s all the other stresses that get added on top of it.

Can’t speak to the poster in question as I’m not sure I’ve seen any of their posts. Given how little it sounds like they participate that’s probably not surprising.

I do want to mention I do have occasional reason to be in my profile screen, and I can tell you my read time and number of threads read etc… on my profile none of that is accurate. But for me personally I was a lurker for a long time, and there were literally years I would come to the site and just read as a guest without bothering to log into my account because I had no intention on posting. So again, not commenting on the poster in question, but I can conceive of situations where those numbers are not accurate due to a number of reasons.

I sympathize, I did the same before COVID where I started getting desperate for more interaction with people other than my lovely wife. But since they joined in 2018 and still have that little… again, I’m not sufficiently equipped to evaluate their sincerity. If I was sure they were a troll, I’d suggest taking it to our parent thread, but it certainly doesn’t meet our normal poster patterns.

(and my reading hours are shorter than reality, since I often read on my Fire Tablet in bed, which isn’t signed in)

Wolly. Is clearly not a teen if he’s done what he says he’s done.

If he’s still floundering and taking from his parents he’s old enough to work. To get out and get a life and lack of cash is stopping you the best thing to do is get a job.
If you have to work in restaurant kitchens that’s just what you have to do. It’s not disrespectful to work there. It’s honest work.
Hard and menial. Could be described as necessary in our society.
Someone has to do it. And in California it pays better, to do it.

Truthfully I think Wolly might be Imuseless.
Story sounds similar. Writing cadence sounds the same.

One gone… another pops up

Troll. Sock. Trock. Whichever.

Huh, no shit? I hadn’t heard that - you made me go and look up a video.

I flipped burgers at McDonalds back in the day, along with every other job under the sun there. Cooking burgers was actually my least favorite task because it was very much a manual affair, there was hot grease spattering and during a rush you were under pressure to be fast and accurate. The franchise-owner used to do occasional spot checks to make sure everything was perfectly cooked, aesthetically pleasing and had the proper number/amount and positioning of condiments and whatnot. He’d grab a burger, dissect it, then eat half. One pickle slice too much or too little or sloppy, non-centered application of special sauce and you’d be subject to a lecture and stern warning about your job. It wasn’t the real stress of a full short-order cook handling a whole menu, but it was annoying enough as a teenager. I would have killed for an electric clamshell grill :grinning:.

You may be right. Come to think of it the numbers quoted up above for this poster account, 6-year-old account minimal read time or posts, is screaming a long dormant account that’s been activated to use for socking. Maybe monitor and see if it suddenly becomes more active?

That thread hasn’t been about “self driving vehicles” for some time now.

It is about “my Tesla”.

I have now.

Well, apparently opinions vary. Yes, my initial comment was an extremely poorly placed parxoysm that was a complete hijack for that thread. My fault entirely, and I do apologize for that. Not the comment, mind you, but having chosen the wrong thread to drop a deuce on. It was a mistake on my part. One I usually succed in avoiding, but it was my mistake and I own up to it.

When I said what’s his name is illiterate, I didn’t mean he didn’t have a small portion of a career as likely a very good technician, and the suitable technical training to support that career. He is almost certainly fairly intelligent, and I admit that he has created several very amusing and apt cartoons.

I’ve no wish to defend my opinions about that stain…any more than someone might wish to explain their dislike of whatever MAGAt of the day.

Love it or lump it. Doesn’t much matter to me which. I think he’s an execrable specimen with a most juvenile manner of expression, 99% of the time, and I dislike his Brahman-like status as a god among nerds.

Not much to see. De gustibus and all that.

RM can indeed be clever. I just don’t care for him. Not very complicated.

The Wes Anderson of comic scrawlers…very precious, indeed.

*Err…Brahmin, let’s say. For the sake of argument.

What has he said that’s misogynistic? I googled and couldn’t find anything.

Man’s intuition. I don’t have encyclopedic recall of all his little drawings. I have never got the impression that he put women and men on the same “level.” Whether it be that girly-girl he festish-draws with the beret, or whatever. No, no matter how many times he may make the “woman” (in his perverse stylization of her) say bon mots, intelligent things, or both.

I’m not responding here, in the appropriate place this time, to try to convince anyone of anything, nor have I made a detailed study of the matter. I’m in no position to convince anyone about this cheap bit of yellow would-be comedic commentary, much less of convincing anyone I’m right about anything I say on this subject.

Laisse tomber…it’s been my possibly unfair impression from the beginning. I could be wrong, and probably am.

The woman on a pedestal thing really rubs me the wrong way, and I just don’t like it. I find it reductive and lazy on the part of the doodler.

A reminder that these are faceless stick figures.

Dr Rorschach may want a word.

What it wrong with drawing women and having them tell jokes and be intelligent? And what would that have to do with misogyny? You seem to be implying you think he’s misandrist–he thinks men are inferior.

Regardless, I can’t agree. He writes the women in his comics the same as he does the men. Sometimes they are assholes. Sometimes they are airheads. Sometimes they’re the average Jo. The only woman I can think of him maybe putting on a pedestal was his own wife–while going through her cancer diagnosis and treatment. I think a man is entitled to do that to the person he loves.

I’m not saying you have to like the comic. Just that you admit he is intelligent and knows how to write. And you can’t actually seem to describe him as misogynist. So why not just stick with saying “I don’t like his stuff” instead of saying he’s an illiterate misogynist?

Your logic seems sketchy. The proof they are fanboys is that they object to being called fanboys.

Your objections aren’t actually clear to me. How are they discussing Teslas–a car with self-driving tech—without discussing self driving tech? Are they talking about stuff that isn’t the self-driving part? Or is it just that Teslas are not new enough? Or do you just object to Tesla discussion in general?

Whatever the issue, it doesn’t sound like it is them being Musk fanboys who expect other people to be unpaid beta testers. And thus putting it in the Musk thread seems odd.

Maybe if you think women who stand up for themselves are “bitches” or worse, then the whole thing reads in a different light.

I have lots of friends (I’m from Pakistan) who think I’m misogynistic because I don’t believe in “protecting women and preserving their status”.

One of our regular posters, who I won’t dox here, did exactly that. Gave up all the stress and expertise of an IT office job for the simplicity of working a fast food takeout kitchen & counter, albeit not McDs.

There’s a bit more to the story, but they greatly prefer a sore back and knees to the 24/7 mind-stress of an office job. The pay ain’t so hotso, but they’re putting their wallet where their mouth is, and that’s always a move deserving of great respect.

I know you know this, but there’s a huge psychological difference between spending a day in your apartment or even in bed, and being chained to the same.

One of the most stress-inducing things for the human mind is the loss of choice. many studie have shows that high-powered always-on 24-7 execs have less stress than their flunkies or janitors. Because of their level of control, even if unused.

You raise a valid observation. Although I’d quibble that it’s now about “my observations of my Tesla’s fumbling but improving attempts at self-driving”.

For all practical purposes in the USA today in 2024, Tesla makes cars trying to be self-driving and NOBODY else does. Nobody.

Any discussion about (semi-) self-driving cars is gonna be about Teslas. Because other than experimental handful-of-vehicles things like Waymo’s un-manned taxis [but with safety drivers], no consumer owns or has driven/ridden a (semi-) self-driving car of any other brand.


I for one would love for f***ing Musk to die of an OD tomorrow. The only thing better would be for him to have died of an OD yesterday. So as to get his odious stink off of the innovative companies he’s had some (arguable) hand in getting going. SpaceX, Tesla, and certainly Xitter would be unequivocally improved with his passing.

I’m not sure what feature of the cars, the guy, or modern society in general trips your trigger. But it’s clear that your anger is clouding your judgment as to whatever ought to be your real target.

I have to say I am surprised by those studies as my experience doesn’t support that.

I was way less stressed when I was just on the tools and not running everything. I slept much better after a day a physical work as opposed to having a hundred projects to manage and plenty of balls to drop.

Just one more data point, but I agree with Bob. I had a high-stress executive role in a Fortune 100 financial firm for decades. Washing dishes at a diner when I was a kid was mindless and largely stress-free.