The problem is that Luke needs to kill Wolverine with his first attack, because one swipe from adamantium claws tends to make humans die messily. I can see Wolverine diving in, Luke neatly slicing off his hands at the wrists, and Wolverine promptly ripping out his throat with his teeth.
Lightsabers do not cut threw all forms of solid matter (at least, not in one quick slice), and they do not pass threw all forms of matter, even if they don’t cut. They’re focused beams of light held within a forcefield; forcefields stop solid matter, and stop when they come in contact with solid matter. Case in point: In the big fight with Vader in Empire, Luke cuts Vader in the arm. His lightsaber hits Vader’s armor and damages the armor, wounds Vader a bit, but stops and is deflected by it. Vader’s armor is not enegry or covered in a forcefield, it’s just glorified Stormtrooper armor.
Adamantium being super dooper strong metal, a lightsaber would stop upon impact. What continued exposure to it would do is where the question comes in. If Wolverine were to use his arm as a shield, and Luke continued to press, I’m sure eventually it would wear threw the metal, or liquify it, or something. Of course, in that time, Wolverine would probably punch his other hand threw Luke’s gut.
The question is: Who’s the better fighter? Hands down, that’s Wolverine. Crazed bar room brawling attack aside (which tends to be his favorite method), Wolverine was trained by samurai, not to mention a member of various Canadian special forces teams (such as the horribly named Team X), and is trained in many other forms of hand to hand combat. Luke was trained how to hit things with a stick, for the most part. He didn’t even get all the cool flip tricks and fancy foot work Yoda used to know. Look at his fight with Vader compared to, well, EVERY Jedi’s fight in either prequel. He really got the short end of the stick there. My guess is, Luke would be thrown off by Wolverine, and all it takes is one little openning, and the little guy’s got it.
Thing to keep in mind, though. As impressive as Wolverine’s healing factor is, a lightsabe cauterizes (sp?) a wound instantly, most likely faster than Wolverine’s healing factor. The healing factor would probably heal over the heat burn and scar tissue there, but this would just leave an open would, which is pretty bad (kinda like his hand from the Age of Apocolypse storyline). But, there have also been instances where the flesh was completely blown off of a limb of his, and it’s all grown back, so who knows?
As for Luke’s force abilities, it’s not much a question of “Could he use them?” as it is “Would he use them.” Sure, Luke could simply look at Wolverine cock eyed and scramble his brain in his skull and kill him instantly, but he wouldn’t. Light side of the force, and all that stuff. Also, Wolverine’s got enough little brain implants and the like that stop mental intrusion, plus his own damn strong willpower, I’m pretty sure the Jedi Mind Trick would be completely useles. I think if he knew what he was up against, it would be a good fight and he could win, but Logan’s got a lot more combat experience in the hand to hand/melee fighting, so I still give him a bit of an advantage.
What I’d like to see is Luke vs. the likes of Jean Grey, or any other telepath/telekinetic. The force seems to be pretty similar in those respects, I think it’d be interesting to see those two battle.
Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak-willed (stormtroopers, minions, Gungans, drug dealers, and the like). While Wolverine doesn’t have any inherent defense against mental attck, he’s easily independantly-minded enough not to fall for “I’m not the Jedi you’re looking for”. On the other hand, though, the Force is almost certainly strong with Wolverine, and a Jedi would sense that (perhaps even getting a feel for how the Force is strong with him, i.e., that he heals quickly). I’m pretty sure that a master Jedi would even sense that a lot of his opponent’s body isn’t “natural” (the adamantium reinforcement).
Force telekinesis is trickier. Admittedly, Wolverine is pretty much powerless, if he’s just hanging in midair. But have we ever seen a Jedi levitating a living creature? I think the closest we’ve seen to that is Luke levitating Threepio in Return of the Jedi, but even there, he was actually lifting the chair he was sitting in. Overall, I think that the only advantage a Jedi would get from the Force in this fight is knowing what he’s up against.
For reflexes and quickness of strikes: Logan’s reflexes and senses are described as “animal-like”, but Jedi have precognitive reflexes. No animal can respond to a threat before it occurs. So the Jedi has a definite edge there. On speed of strike, though, I think it’s a tie: While it’s true that a lightsabre (like any good sword) has a very low moment of inertia, Wolverine’s weapons are effectively his bare hands. They both have to move their hands to attack, and nothing else.
And just because adamantium can be made in useful shapes, doesn’t even mean that it’s malleable. You have one shot at forming it in the shape you want it in. If you screw up, you have to just throw it out and start with all new adamantium or raw materials. That’s why Stryker said it’s so hard to work with, in the movie.
Putting it all together, I think it’ll be decided at the first blow. The lightsabre has longer reach, and that might allow the Jedi to get in a crippling first strike. Wolverine would recover from one such strike, but he’d be temporarily incapacitated long enough for Luke to do whatever’s necessary. On the other hand, one good hit from Wolverine would finish the match, even if he gets “mortally” wounded in the process, since Luke doesn’t regenerate.
So basically, I see two possible outcomes: First, they fly at each other, Luke hits first, Wolverine falls but Luke doesn’t, and Luke wins. Second, they fly at each other, both hit, both fall, but Wolverine eventually gets back up, and wins.
Adamantium is a super strong alloy which uses vibranium, which is this weird metal that absorbs energy. A light saber may have enuf energy to cut into it but not thru it. Wolverines healing power and skill would prevent any serious damage that luke can inflict due to surprise or Jedi tricks.
The definitive answer is that Luke sucks as a fighter. Wolverine would make minced jedi out of him eventually. It would be a different thing with Quigong or a young Obiwan but luke is definitely a no-winner.
No.
Vibranium is not a component of Adamantium. Adamantium is stored as two separate compounds–Adamantium Resin “A”, & Adamantium Resin “B”, both fluid/gelatinous at room temperatures until mixed. They harden very rapidly.
Vibranium is a metal-like material that comes in two known varieties–Primary Vibranium, which absorbs energy, especially sound, and can create a zone of total silence in it’s proximity; and Anti-Metal, which emits an unknown force that breaks down metal. It is unknown what, if any, effect Anti-Metal would have on Adamantium.
Captain America’s shield is an alloy of Adamantium, Vibranium, & other metals. It’s true composition is unknown, but it is the only known material more durable than Adamantium. This may be the source of your confusion, X~Slayer(ALE).
By the end of “Jedi”, Luke definitely does not suck as a fighter. And all the fighting skills in the world aren’t going to help Wolverine overcome Luke’s largest advantage. Luke is a Jedi. He can sense what his non-Jedi opponent is going to do before it happens. Wolverine wouldn’t be able to lay a claw on Luke, even if his adamantium can withstand the lightsaber (which is entirely possible).
Take away the Jedi advantage, and Wolvie is going to make mincemeat out of Luke.
Of course, this discussion creates a very amusing image in my mind: Beginner Lufe facing off with Wolverine, getting the claws through his stomach, and screaming in his best whiney bitch voice “That’s IMPOSSIBLE!” before Wolvie finishes him off.
Mature Luke would probably win if Wolverine didn’t get the first hit in and kill him. If Luke dodges that, he takes Logan out long-range with the Force.
“Luke”, not “Lufe”…arrgh
I resisted this fanboyish thread for three days, and will just make one quick comment:
Luke wins, easily. He can use the Force to keep Wolverine incapacitated, then deal with Logan at his leisure.
Yeah, but Wolverine has cooler hair, All Luke has is that 70’s Corvette Summer do.
So, Wolverine wins.
There! Now I have it in the right thread.
Youre right. My bad. Sorry for the confusion.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/adamantium.htm
Altho his article pretty much confirms that Wolvies claws can withstand energy equivalent to a lightsaber or a nuke.
I still say 6th episode Luke is a wuss compared to wolverine. Jedi mastery or not, wolverine can move as fast as thought. Not even a mutant who can read thoughts can out manuver Logan.
Not in the movies, but there is a Tales of the Jedi where some guy attacks Vader, and Vader pins him to the ceiling for a good while to contemplate what to do with him. The guy gets out of it by dropping grenades, but living things aren’t that hard to hold.
That’s why Luke gets shot in the hand by a goon on Jabba’s barge. Even at the end of Jedi, Luke’s still a crappy fighter. He relies on brute strength and just swinging a big stick…there’s really no grace or form or any sign of training with the lightsaber for the most part. His fighting skills would be trounced by any Jedi from the prequil movies with one hand behind their backs. That’s what you get for training yourself. Wolverine’s faught ninjas for crying out loud, and come out completely unscathed.
I’m not going to eat it. You eat it. I know, let’s get Ikey. Ikey hates everything. Hey, Ikey! He likes it!
Eh… blame it on the choreographer.
And ninjas (who are cool, and by cool I mean totally sweet) can’t hold a candle to Jedi either.
Imagine Professor X’s mind in Wolverine’s body vs. a normal Wolverine. Logan/Wolvie would get owned by Xavier/Wolvie. Well for all intents and purposes, Luke has the same mental abilities as Xavier, at least as it pertains to combat. He just doesn’t have the healing powers Logan does.
Still no cure for cancer…
carry on.
Eh, I don’t know if being psychic would be enough to help him.
<Luke’s thoughts>
Hah, I know every move he’ll make before he makes it.
Oh, shit! I can’t get out of the way of that move! :eek:
</Luke’s thoughts>
That said, though I have no doubt that Luke would get shredded in a straight up fight, using The Force to levitate Logan should pretty much win the fight for him.
This thread is becoming a ping-pong ball. 
People here talk about Luke’s extrasensory powers - well, keep in mind that while Wolverine doesn’t have anything extrasensory, he’s got far better senses than your average human being. Might not be precognition, but then, Luke gets caught off-guard an awful lot, wouldn’t you say? 
It at least reduces the advantage Luke might have here - I can’t see him getting the drop on Logan at any rate. The Force seems to be to be a vague sense - and sometimes it’s still vague regarding big events - rather than a specific knowledge like Wolverine’s senses would give him. On top of that, if Logan doesn’t make a major dent in the Force (which is a VERY interesting idea, by the way), he might even surprise Luke.
I like the analysis that shows Luke is just not a Big-Gamer. He just doesn’t come through in the clutch. And I think the Force precludes him from wanting to win, and settling for nothing less, the way Wolverine does.
First of all, a lightsaber would not cut through adamantium. Lightsabers are stopped in the movies by physical matter infinitely weaker than adamantium. Since Wolverine’s bones are adamantium, he can almost certainly block Luke’s attack, even if it wounds him. He can even block the lightsaber with one arm while slashing with the other. Also, Wolverine is extremely skilled, one of the most skilled fighters there is, assuming we are talking about the comics rather than the movie. And I think at one point he actually did heal from being cut in half.
Now for Luke. If this was Qui Gon or Darth Maul, then Wolverine would win fairly easily. But Luke is another matter. He is far more skilled than the prequel Jedi and Sith. Anyone who has done any fencing will immediately realize that the fighting in the prequels may look cool, but would immediately get you killed in a real fight. Just look at Darth Maul! His weapon is held in the middle, with a “blade” on both sides! Such a weapon is completely useless. Almost any move you tried to do with it would cut yourself. Your range is tiny and your options are few. Luke would have cut Darth Maul to pieces in seconds, with a less cool looking but far superior fighting style.
In a pure fighting contest Wolverine would win more often than not, because he could take a hit and still put a hit on Luke, which would kill him. But if Luke uses all his force abilities he would win.
Ummm…I’d need to see a cite for this. I mean, how could his spine be cut in half? Or was this sans-adamantium. Also, Wolverine HAS died on a few occassions in the past. In X-Men number 5, I believe, after getting his ass kicked severely by Omega Red and jumping out of a thirty story building, Maverick had to pump adreneline into his heart to get him up and kicking again. Proof there that if you can beat him to a point where his healing factor craps out. They mention this as well in Wolverine/Hulk miniseries that came out recently as well.
As for Luke’s “telepathic” abilities, I wouldn’t guess they’d be anywhere NEAR the same league as Professor X. In terms of battle precognative powers, I’d say they’re more like Spider-Man’s spidey sense. They allow him to gague where an attack is coming from about a split second before it’s made, giving a Jedi just enough time to react defensively. There are plenty of comic book characters with powers similar to that, and Wolverine’s won against some, lost against others, so I’m not really sure how good a gague that is in this scenario.
Luke’s Jedi powers would work like a Spidey sense against other Jedi. But against non-Jedi every move would be telegraphed. He wouldn’t be able to have INFLUENCE over Wolvie’s mind, because that only works on the weak-minded.
Comics Wolvie vs. Movie Luke would be close, but Wolvie would stand no chance against… DUN DUN DUN… COMICS LUKE.
Comics Luke could levitate Star Destroyers, for crap’s sake!