What's the deal with all the incest porn?

You are right. It isn’t just a men’s thing although men tend to be much more visually oriented while most women prefer written formats. Here is an interesting cracked.com article from someone that specializes in “mind-control incest” erotica and makes a living pumping out lots of it mainly for women in a very defined way. The audience is fairly small but dedicated and willing to pay for it.

Rule 34 is real. I personally think that is a good thing. It is hard to prove but rape has trended down steadily right in step with the rise of mass market porn and I believe there is a causal factor there. Why would someone commit a serious crime if they can just see whatever they want on a big screen TV in the privacy of their own home?

A few years ago there was a map published that showed the top porn search terms in each state and Step Something (usually Sister or Daughter) was the top in many states. It seems like the creators are giving people what they want.

Also, since it’s almost always make believe away, the set up is a good excuse for an older guy and younger woman or two younger people to do it in a video which is the main point anyway.

I remember that Cracked article! Erotica writers have it made. I really should look into that. I write a lot of it myself but I’ve never tried to monetize it. The other problem is I can’t write it without trying to make it all literary. The last erotic story I wrote referenced Viktor Frankl, Og help me.

That I’m more skeptical of, at least in part because a lot of violent crime has gone down, not just rape.

I’m pretty liberal on the side of sexual fantasies, so I’m not all up in arms about incest porn. But I’ll admit sometimes I wonder if the guys who abused me were into it, and that squicks me out. The idea that there might be people watching it who would abuse their own kids.

I don’t think the porn encourages such things, I think scumbags would be scumbags whether they had that external validation or not. It’s just a distressing thought.

Check out Minnesota on this map.

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What, no insect porn?

I blame the influence of the Folger’s Coffee commercial :smiley:

Like others have said, it’s part of the nature of the genre, it cycles through different kinks or fetishes, someone gets a bit of success and then everyone and his brother makes 600 vids of the same theme until it’s all run out and then people stop making them for a while until later on it will come back.

Back in the ancient days of film/early VHS “mainstream” porn when they tried to pretent to have plots, there was a small boomlet of incest-themed porn films and vids after the success of *Taboo *around 1982, but it was not widespread, and by 1988 the theme was pretty much gone (partly because after the 1986 Traci Lords scandal, the industry went into a cooling-off period about anything that emphasized “youth”). It was internet porn that revived it with some sort of strength.

Jamaican porn.

It’s hilarious to me how defensive people get about that commercial.

Do you really think there is an inverse correlation between amount of porn watched and intelligence? I sort of doubt that. Interest in sex and also in viewing sex goes across the board.

There’s a lot of this stuff in Second Life too. Lots of daddy-baby girl clubs. But with Second Life the Daddy could be a middle-aged female school teacher IRL and the baby girl could be a retired military male IRL. Shit gets weird in SL. One or both could also be pretending to be fuzzy footed aliens as well.

Some standup comedian awhile back said that if you Googled for porn about having sex with goats that were on fire, you’d get a prompt asking, “What kind of goat?”

Arboreal bestiality, eh? Kinky!

Well, kinda sorta, maybe, and also yes and no (which a sprinkling of IANAPorn fiend, particularly). Most of it seems incredibly bland and samey. Also, it’s like with online dating. You may *think *you know what you want, down to a precision of sixteen decimals. So you punch that into the search box. You are rewarded with your one, theoretically perfect match. And it turns out to be boring as fuck. It’s badly made, five seconds long, and made on a cellphone in a basement. Or, more likely, the opposite: Incredibly well produced, a technical masterpiece, with performers designed in a wind tunnel somewhere. But still boring as fuck, and with no soul. So you turn it off after one second.

I think good porn, to the extent that there is such a thing, is almost always made by accident. The producers are shooting for some result or other, but they’re crap at it. However, once in a blue moon, the performers still have some chemistry, a bit of reality leaks in through the cracks caused by the incompetent production, and some eroticism happens.

Now, how do you search for that on your local WhateverthefuckTubez? No idea. And trying to find it by watching one second of every single porn clip on the internet is getting tedious. I need some kind of algorithm, dammit!

Is vanilla porn even a thing anymore? I’m guessing it’s gotten more shocking as the masses have desensitized.

You know I’d be just fine with the sound on if women didn’t do that ridiculous fake porn moan.

I don’t believe men think about sex so much more often than women, but there has to be some wiring difference somewhere, because I would never do this. Men must really be SUPER visually wired. I can get better than that out of my own imagination.

Pretty sure it is, depending on your definition. But that tends to suck, too, so…

Actually, in my case, the specifics don’t even matter that much. There doesn’t have to be a goat involved, and if there is one, it doesn’t necessarily have to be wearing a tutu. It’s not really about that. And I don’t think I’m super visually wired, either, necessarily. I once watched a two hour feature, and only later realized that it was super softcore, with hardly even a pube showing. Pretty good story, though.

Although, that’s hardly optimal either. And if I’m looking for zero pubes and a good story, I can just watch regular TV. They even have nipples on there these days, or so they tell me. But if we’re talking about actual adult entertainment…

Ideally, I want an erotically charged psychodrama. Sex is mostly in the mind, after all. There needs to be some tension. Some charge. Maybe some conversation. Some lingering touches. Maybe watching some paint dry. But there should still be some action, to release the tension. I don’t want to be left on a hanging cadence, that’s no fun either. So, I want three acts, as it were. Theme, development, closure.

Now, concerning the aforementioned algorithm. Let’s be optimistic, and assume that my search isn’t a total crapshoot. I have made some notes in this regard. For starters, I’ve noticed that any porno only has a limited number of fucks to give in the imagination and entertainment value department, before it reverts to a state of SP (standard porno). SP is six different positions and a giant glass dildo. And, yes, this is also the title of my Opus 12, in E minor, for wind chimes and glass dildo. Don’t ask.

SP, as far as I can surmise, is the state in which a pornographic performer has a resting heart rate, and no particular emotional involvement in the current situation. I’m not sure how this works when such a performer is off-duty. I’m picturing some odd situations in elevators and at family gatherings. But anyway.

Of course, a lot of the time, pornos turn up without any fucks to give whatsoever. In those cases, I don’t know where the fucks went. They were probably spent at the lunch meeting. Sometimes, though, there are fucks left to distribute. It’s usually about five.

Different elements of a porno will use up these fucks at different rates. For instance, if there’s a threesome, you’re SOL. The concept of a threesome instantly burns through all the fucks, before the action even starts. In fact, I think you can science this, and find that I’m right. Now and then, you may have a situation where you have two active performers, and one who is just hanging out. After some time, the action may progress to where this morphs into an actual threesome. The second this happens, the fucks are expended explosively, and the porno reverts to SP.

Also, a plot with any kind of complexity is usually bad news. It seems that having a plot counts for about four fucks on average. If the plot is convoluted enough, it may actually go through more fucks than are available, and you end up with negative fucks.

Even with only a basic plot or scenario, though, the fucks are still expended at a steady rate. They’re usually gone after about ten of fifteen minutes. This is a problem if the ongoing erotic psychodrama, in which I may be rather invested at this point, has only progressed so far. You may have an erotic situation. There is tension. There is drama. There is development. And then, SPROING, whoops, all out of fucks, revert to SP.

I mean, at least pace yourselves, yeah? At least conclude the psychodrama. I understand the technical limitations, but consider the pacing. Don’t suddenly go SP on my ass in mid-eroticism.

You can see how this becomes an issue with, for instance, the subject under discussion, namely the incest scenario. Not that I’m particularly invested in this specific concept. Frankly, as far as I’m concerned, it’s a trend that can go fuck itself. But at least there is the potential for an erotically charged psychodramatic situation. The problem is that the concept itself is enough to blow through about three and a half fucks, at the outset, leaving only a fuck and a half, which doesn’t get you far into the development.

You might say, well, if ten minutes work, why not have ten minute pornos? If you can make any of those that don’t suck, that is, which they usually do anyway, for whatever reason. But ten minutes is usually too short for a decent product. I want at least about thirty minutes of running time, and ideally double that. Ever *had *sex for ten minutes? Well, I guess y’all have. But it depends on how you measure it. If you start the clock at the foreplay, then that counts as a quickie in my world.

However, all is not lost. One possibility is an episodic approach. Do ten to fifteen minute installments. Between these, recharge the fucks. Maybe save up some extra fucks for the final chapter, and Bob might just be your uncle. I have found two - 2 - cases of this approach being employed, more or less. It seemed to work rather well, although almost certainly by complete accident. I very much doubt that the producers had a clue what they were actually doing. But still, I think I might want to be on the lookout for that.

And there is further discussion to be had. BTW, I hope no one is confused by the terminology.

I’m curious what you mean by psychodrama. An actual story? Where do you find these?

I watch almost exclusively bondage stuff, most of which is crap and some of which is just over the top for me, but I have to assume that’s true of every category of porn. Most of it is shit. The stuff that isn’t is almost always a surprise, as someone mentioned above, a single honest moment. I like the amateur stuff because sometimes you can actually feel the love.

While we’re on this subject I want to register the complaint that most male porn stars are nowhere in the vicinity of hot. I once found a site for lady porn but it seemed kind of cheesy and they wanted money. Path of least resistance.

Not necessarily a story. In fact, that seems to be counterproductive, as it uses up all the fucks. Two people in a bed is fine. Just a scenario or a situation that has some reality to it. I guess ideally some resistance. Although, nothing rapey or anything, and bondage stuff puts me off. Just some courtship, I suppose. Some progression. A reason why I should care, at least.

Maybe I just suck at watching porn. I think I’m doing it wrong. In fact, maybe what I’m doing doesn’t even count as watching porn, which may explain a few things. This may be oversharing territory, but here goes: A weird hobby I had for about five minutes was downloading pornos, and editing out all the explicit sex parts, up to and including kissing. You can get some interesting results.

Yeah. Amateur stuff tends to have a better signal to noise ratio (by my specific definitions of signal and noise). Most of it is still boring, though. I think amateur stuff often tries to be too much like pro stuff. Still too porny for my liking.

Maybe what I want is something akin to the “full girlfriend experience”, in video format. Is there such a thing as personality porn? I once found this site (amateur-ish), that had backstage stuff. There was this one girl who had a really cool personality. She was super funny, and quirky, and told stories. So I liked her.

Later, there was more stuff with this girl. But not backstage stuff, just sex stuff. Which was booring. Give me more of the backstage messing about! Heck, I might pay for that. However, the thing is, I wouldn’t have found the backstage stuff as interesting if I couldn’t also watch her with her knickers off, in the company of one or more of her lady friends. I just want the ratio swapped around.

Try the Netflix series “Hot Girls Wanted”. It is about young women in different parts of the world trying to make it in the porn industry. I don’t even recall there being any nudity in it. They all have their own style and many of them don’t even do male on female scenes. Some of them are dysfunctional but others are quite charming and responsible and treat it like any other business. Bailey Rayne is a gorgeous Indiana/California girl in one of the first episodes that runs her own production company, only does solo work and recruits and guides other potential recruits. She is like the girl next door that explains how it all works. You might find that interesting.

I kinda get what you’re saying, and I don’t think it’s all that weird. I have read some erotic romance novels with interesting dynamics between the characters, to the point that the sex seems like a needless interruption, and I feel like skipping it. My novel has some key sex scenes but it’s about way more than just sex, the idea is I want to make the sex that does happen more important, somehow.

I watch porn occasionally, but I usually find it a waste of time because it takes ten tries before I even find something worth watching. I just prefer to write out my own fantasies - that way I always get what I want. But as I said, when I write my own stuff, there’s always an incredible amount of lead-up, up to and including entire life philosophy discussions. I think it’s a lot more about the anticipation and the psychological dynamics involved.

Right! I don’t write my sexual fantasies down, but I have them running in my head occasionally. In installments, or usually as a number of increasingly elaborate variations on the same scenes. What can I say, it helps me get to sleep. Or at least I *think *they’re sexual fantasies. The thing is, they never seem to get as far as the sex part. In one, someone has been nibbling an ear for about a month. In another variation of that one, the participants are currently having a really boring conversation. Forever. They’ll certainly fall asleep before they ever get to the point of removing any clothing. Or even to a peck on the cheek. And then they’ll repeat that, until… I dunno. Something hopefully happens. At least a back massage. Something! Get on with it already!

But then, when something does happen, it stops being interesting. So then, after having finally gotten from A to Z, I have to go back to somewhere around C or D again, and pick it back up again from there.

In another one, the people involved (different set of people) have just been to the park. They’ll be at a toy store later. No, not a sex toy store. Just a toy store. They’re looking at baby stuff. No one is pregnant yet, or in a relationship. They just have a certain fascination with this subject, that involves some increasingly odd conversations. One wants a baby. The other one *might *want a baby. But should they be together? How about they just have a fling, and come what may? They have some past history. Anyway, it’s all getting less and less sexy right now. At some point, later on, I’m supposed to get them as far as a bathroom. That’s where the first draft of this nonsense started. Even there, there won’t be any sex. We’re still putting that off until way later. They’re not ready for it yet. But the problem is, at this rate, I’ll never even get them into that bathroom. The space between the park and the bathroom keeps expanding. I mean, it’s turning into War and Peace! Right now, I’m not even sure if it’s a good idea for them to be hooking up at all. I mean, the whole affair seems totally irresponsible. They’ll probably end up calling the whole business off and end up dating other people.

Anticipation porn. That’s what I’m into.