Silly me! I thought I was teachable, that my beliefs were open to change. You don’t even read my posts subsequent to my joking one where I pretended to completely miss your point (post 120). You have decided that I’m “an ignorant shit” and you dismiss anything I say out of hand. You know who else has set ideas they can’t be bothered to change? The people who can’t see you as anything but a wheelchair. You have met the enemy and it is you.
This just may be the stupidest thing I have read in my lifetime, and I’m including all the freshman essays I was subjected to back in my undergrad days, and I’m including The Stars, Like Dust, and I’m including the collected works of D’Anconia, and I’m including the novelization of Hot Tub Time Machine 3. Okay, I’m lying about that last one, but the rest of it is true.
Look, dropzone. If you want to convince people that you’re teachable, you gotta show it. A sincere apology (not, a “sorrybut”) is a start if you want to go down that road.
How the fuck could that little paragraph be “the stupidest thing I have read in my lifetime?” Lefty, “sorrybut” is an accurate reflection of my opinion. I’m not going to grovel before Lord King Ambivalid because I don’t agree with him entirely, and he and you and Miller are not going to bully me into it. But where, exactly, is that post “stupid?” Go word by word if you must. I’m willing to listen to contrary opinions, unlike you.
You are exaggerating about those freshman essays and D’Anconia’s posts, as those are supersaturated with stupid. And The Stars, Like Dust was more boring than stupid. Not a lot more, though.
I’m not going to go word by word. “Sorrybut” is not an apology, and your entire series of posts in this thread consist of you being a jackass. When you tell ambivalid that he’s met the enemy and it’s him, that’s incredibly moronic.
But that is how he is acting toward me. He, by his very words, is not reading my posts, but is reacting to them based on an inaccurate idea of what I would say.
My contention all along is that yes, the hygienist acted like a boob, and yes, it can be wearing to be patronized like that all the time, but that I, personally, have a worldview where everybody is an idiot until they prove otherwise. My expectations are so low that I am surprised when people don’t behave like idiots. It saves wear and tear on the psyche. I told of how, halfway through this thread, I consulted with my handicapped kin and how it improved my understanding of Ambivalid’s point, but as he’s shut his mind to me he doesn’t care. Just like the people who ignore the real him in favor of their preconceptions.
I’m sick of him playing the victim card (“Ooh, you talked mean to me!”) in order to extort an apology from me, which he’ll ignore anyway. And I’m sick of him and you being too dense to figure out that I agree with his point, but would attack the problem a different way. That’s what’s “incredibly moronic.”
“Victim card?” I don’t want your apology. And you’ve clearly demonstrated throughout this thread that you do not understand my point. If you believe you understand the overall point of this thread, please tell me. As succinctly as possible, please. If you can do that, I will humbly retract my recent remarks. But please do not act as if you were not incredibly idiotic, immature and insulting throughout this thread. If you’ve had an epiphany, I’m going to be the first one apologizing for calling you some of the names I’ve called you. Because you will have proved yourself capable of recognizing, admitting and changing your ignorant mindset.
I thought Dropzone did sincerely apologize in post #245:
How is that not good enough? 
Are you saying you don’t believe people should get another chance if they mess up on a messageboard? :dubious:
And Dropzone, please don’t refer to 50-something women as “dirty old ladies”. That is offensive! In cases like that the correct terminology is “cougars”. Do we have to teach you everything?!! 
Again, I don’t want Dropzone’s apology. Not-the-point. What I asked for was a demonstration that he did indeed understand the point behind this thread. Which he has not.
Well, you’ve been carrying the water for Ambivalid for several pages now, so of course Ambivalid is not going to throw you under the bus at this point for using pejorative terms as it relates to the disabled, that would ruin what little credibility you might still have on this thread.
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Broomstick quickly PMs Ambivalid: "Post russian heel that you endorse being called a “cripple, spaz” and “gimp”, he has me on the ropes!*
I can only imagine what THAT household looks like. Based on the energy you have spent here, I imagine it consists of one four-eyed, pig faced fat body with a part time job at Walmart sitting in front of computer all day talking to their cat. By the way, you say you are able bodied—I have to ask: who the fuck appointed YOU czar of all etiquette as it pertains to the handicapped? You claimed to interact with people in wheelchairs very rarely, but seem to know an awful lot about it. last minute Wikipedia research, perhaps? Come clean.
I’ll enlighten you: unlike you, I have a job, a wife, a life, a family, and don’t have time to sit here all day responding to your idiocy as well another posters all day long. Here’s enlightenment for you, Genius: there was thread on SDMB a few years ago where a poster started calling out another poster for not responding to him in what THEY saw as a timely manner, and was “advised” by a Moderator that it was up to the other poster to respond as convenient. So, my advice to you and Ambivalid is to stop your whining, and understand and get not everyone has as much free time as you. The rules are on my side.
And sometimes kids ask inappropriate questions, and have to be instructed when to and when to not ask them. It’s called parenting. Please tell me you’re not a parent. There are already enough genetic mutants in the world.
Of course they don’t mind, because their little kids. But they sure seem to get up in their britches when adults say unintentionally inappropriate things. So at what point do we teach children proper etiquette around those in wheelchairs? At what age? 8? 10? 14? 20? 40? You seem to know all the rules, Champion of Spokesman for the Disabled. TEACH US—ALL KNOWING ONE
Thank you, Self-Appointed Spokesman for the Disabled.
I know. I just sent an application in the Vatican to have you canonized. St. Jackass sounds good what do you think of it?
You DO work at Walmart, HAHAHAHA!!! I was right, and now you’re exposed as a fraud. You DO interact with wheelchair “bound” or whatever you call it people on a daily basis. **So of COURSE your comfort level is higher than most other people. **That totally destroys your Saint Broomstick argument that how you interact with people with disabilities should be the norm for people that don’t on a normal basis. You lied this ENTIRE thread, and the base premise of your argument is a crock. I THINK THIS ARGUMENT IS OVER.
You’re a fucking idiot. I THINK THIS ARGUMENT IS OVER.
Trust me, I’ve dealt with worse than this by better than you. When it comes to roasting you have a lot to learn, Skippy.
You clearly don’t have the intelligence to even be a janitor at NASA, so I doubt that will ever happen.
If it were my Message Board, you’d last 5 seconds with your shit attitude.
Oh great, a creepy stalker.
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Hahaah—HAHAHAHA!!! Hey, if you think your “wining” here, knock yourself out. If you think you won something here go out and brag about that at the local bar to your friends, if you have any. I’m sure they will be soooo proud of you. Like I said, you exposed yourself as a liar, and a fraud, as well as a bigot which your brand new wheelchair buddies here are afraid to call you out on, I THINK THIS ARGUMENT IS OVER. But I don’t brag about winning arguments over idiots and stupid morons.
More proof: you need to get a life. Fortunately I have one outside this message board. But feel free to respond to my post anytime you want, after all you have more free time than me.
Loser.
Have you considered the possibility that you don’t understand his point? Because I see something different.
He’s got physical problems of his own, and so does his wife. Read his posts again. He has given examples that demonstrate understanding, because he (and his wife) have encountered the same thing; the only difference is his (and her) way of dealing with it. Not every disabled person reacts in the same way to the type of behavior you are venting about. Why is that so hard for you to accept?
It just doesn’t make sense to me that you think it’s okay to be nasty to other disabled people in this thread because they have a different personality than you. Doesn’t* that* go against the point of your OP?
If someone sincerely apologizes, and continues to explain themselves - in the face of being called shit - making further demands looks petty.
That’s my point.
If there is some past history/beef with other posters I’m not familiar with, then disregard this post, but just from what I see here it seems to me you are overreacting to some of the posters.
BTW, you couldn’t even comprehend or explain your own replies to my post in this thread, yet you demand demonstrations of total understanding?! Think about that.
The notion I would “carry the water” for Ambivalid is ridiculous, either metaphorically or in real life (he is, after all, considerably stronger than I’ll ever be).
So, since you can’t defeat me intellectually you resort to an attempt to attack my person. Argumentum ad hominem
While I do wear glasses I fail to see how that is relevant to the discussion at hand, I have a human face, not a “pig” one, am not overweight, and I have a full time job. No cats, either. I do type pretty damn fast, though, so try to keep up.
My spouse is disabled. Not in a wheelchair, but it has made me more aware of disability issues.
More argumentum ad hominem. How does having a job, a spouse, etc. at all pertain to the argument at hand? Well, if your spouse is disabled (as is mine) it might be relevant but you’re throwing that out as if 1) it’s somehow important to this discussion and 2) those lacking such things are unworthy to engage in conversation.
And you could take time out to respond to other people, it’s your choice not to do so.
I have very little free time, actually. Full time job, taking care of a disabled family member, terminally ill parent… I get my jollies via a few minutes in the internet daily. It just so happens that’s were our paths intersect.
And, you know, you could skip a reply to me and respond to someone else. You CHOOSE to engage primarily with me and ignore the others here. Why is that?
What is and isn’t considered “inappropriate” is not writ in stone, though, and far too many people react to others who are different as if they had cooties, which is what the kids pick up on.
The problem you seem to have is that there isn’t a Special Wheelchair Etiquette. Treat them like everyone else - hold the door if you’re going through it, don’t make a special trip to do so unless the person asks for help. Make eye contact. I fail to understand why this is so hard for you.
I think I’ll stay happily non-Christian, thank you.
How would working at Wal-Mart disqualify someone from participating in an argument about disability? Again, more argumentum ad hominem. Again, you can’t win on logic so you resort to personal attacks. Do you work in politics? You (apparently) dismiss the disabled as not worthy of response, you now decree that a person’s worthiness to engage you in conversation is dependent on where they work and not the quality of their arguments… you are really looking like a complete bigot here.
Oh, and you do understand there are other stores in the world besides Wal-Mart? My employer isn’t nearly as large, but they pay better and treat their employees a fuckton better. Or maybe Wal-Mart IS the only store out in Buttfuck Nowhere where you live.
I think you have a reading comprehension problem.
I’ve been consistent with the term “wheelchair using” and even took a little time to explain why the descriptor “bound” is completely inappropriate.
With hundreds to over a thousand customers a day, accessible stores, and sufficient staff to provide customers with any needed assistance of course we get disabled people coming in on a regular basis. They need stuff, too. I do not interact with the disabled (other than my spouse) on a daily basis, but certainly a couple times a week. This isn’t extensive - usually just “good morning, let me know if you need any help” - but it does come up.
Also, I’d like to point out that people who need to use wheelchairs are only part of the disabled community. I have to provide the same level of customer service to anyone walking in the door, including clueless ableists such as yourself.
You wish. Quoting a sarcastic reply entirely out of context is the desperate ploy of the I expect from Fox News, not an intelligent debater… but then, you aren’t one, are you?
Janitor? Bah! If I ever was in line to work at NASA it would have been as a pilot (which license I do have, by the way).
I’ve seen message boards where people are banned for winning arguments. They don’t last long. Anyhow, just as well you’re not a moderator, you’d suck at it.
Thanks for the morning tussle. Will you be back tomorrow? But bring some actual debating skills rather than just personal attacks, that tactic is getting old and isn’t winning you points.
Bro, I spent a decade upgrading thousands of elevators to meet the Americans with Disabilities Act so people who happen to use wheelchairs could use them. Ten years improving the lives of countless people, from 1990 until well beyond today. What have you done beyond whining on a message board?
Wife’s phrase, not mine. She was greatly amused when x-raying ROTC candidates when they just automatically flexed even though she was twice their age and 8 months pregnant.
And thank you.
You must not be familiar with Jamie. Self reflection and awareness are not really his strong suits.
Is it okay to use someone’s real-life name gratuitously (or not) here?
Do mind if I have it, then? I may need to give one out someday.
He used his real name as his username when he first joined. He also has linked to various articles that used his real name. I don’t think he has ever tried to be anonymous and most of us know his real name. I didn’t see it as gratuitous use, I saw it as just using a guy’s name.
Ambivalid, however, may disagree.
Okay, I guess. So it’s probably not “wrong.” But I wouldn’t use someone else’s name unless they did in the same thread. Why do you think you used it exactly? No judgment implied, just really curious as to why someone would do that.
No harm was intended and if he would prefer I not, I won’t in the future.
Have you ever, not just here, but on any forum on the net, seen that done?
I haven’t.