Wheelchairs aren't people, they are equipment.

Why is Ambivalid the one who has to change?

Seriously - what you’re saying is something like “You’re angry because other people treat you like a defective, incompetent human being but you’ll be happier if you just accept that’s how you’ll always be treated, learn to love condescension.”

How dare the disabled cause discomfort among the clueless merely by asking to be treated as an adult! Don’t rock the boat, don’t protest, don’t complain.

Honestly, if other people had taken that route we’d still be buying and selling people and women would still be treated as perpetual children under the law.

Wow that’s patronizing! Not to mention making it his fault when clueless wonders like the dental hygenist assume he’s helpless just because he’s in a wheelchair, instead of just using common sense and accepting that he’s fine when he says so.

For God’s sakes he didn’t go postal on the hygenist or anything. He got fed up and came to bitch about it on the message board where you go to bitch about stuff. He’s entitled to do that same as anyone else (bless his handicapable little heart) :rolleyes:

Did she give you a lolly?

We all know that the disabled don’t have it easy in this llife. But they had better not talk about it or express anything other than absolute joy and happiness about their daily struggles, lest they come across as bitter and angry.

The Hallmark Channel and “Chicken Soup for the Soul” commands this.

I’d hate to see how you talk to people you don’t like then.

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I support this observation one hundred per cent. I hope everyone reads it again here.

And, like people with cancer, the disabled must always claim to have learned a lot from their disability, and be glad to have it.

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I think anger is a reasonable response sometimes and don’t trust people who claim that anger and vitriol are bad and that we must avoid them and find acceptance and all that happy horseshit. I find the occasional bout of anger and vitriol to be motivating and cleansing.

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This is the crux of the whole thing. I wish I’d said these things first, but I quote it here in hopes that everyone takes the opportunity to reread it and think about it.

I’m not at all familiar with you. You clearly are not familiar with me, either. So may I kindly suggest leaving such nasty, non-constructive comments out of this thread? Thanks.

Im sorry, that was just a joke. I should have made that more clear with an emoticon. I am in fact in excellent shape.

Wise words, monstro

It’s a very effective way of silencing the legitimate concerns of many disabled folks: “its not the world’s problem, its the person’s problem. They have just never come to term with there new reality, so they are mad at everyone.”

I’m totally on your side in this issue.

But if I may for a moment be the kind of asshole that dredges up stuff from another thread, in this dating thread you acted like a fool. I won’t say that your wheelchair has anything to do with your rudeness and foolishness there, except that it was a big part of the story the way you told it; nonetheless, I think you’d probably have been just as rude to her if she’d been admiring your tattoo or your scarf or your dance moves or whatever.

Which rudeness and foolishness is probably just one more way that you’re not like the hygienist’s 83-year-old grandmother, who is most likely very gracious when someone asks to use her OK Cupid photos.

Can I make an attempt at summing up the point of the OP (aided by the thread title)?

The determining factor for what a person in a wheelchair can or can’t do (or needs help with) is the person, not the wheelchair.

How’d I do, Ambivalid?

ETA: Corollary: Beware of over-generalizing based on the fact that someone’s in a wheelchair.

This is the pit. If I wish to point out to you that I think you’re a worthless human being who should not be let loose among people, I will.

Sure, and he can kindly suggest you STFU with your ignorant opinion, which is what he did. Isn’t all of this bleedin’ obvious?

Ignorant how? That I don’t automatically take his side because he’s disabled? And that’s not condescending? I think he’s whiny and annoying and that’s that.

Oh, and you can piss off too.

That would be condescending, if that’s what ignorant meant. However, it ain’t, because it ain’t. He said you were ignorant when he said you were not familiar with him. Not knowing about something is what ignorant means.

Now imagine me singing “The more you know!” while a rainbow shoots out my ass.

Thanks, Commodor Obvious, and congratulations on the promotion!

I’m actually a little surprised she didn’t ask for a high five :smack:

Can you please point out where I acted like a fool in that dating thread? I took offense to a girl taking the initiative (on a dating site) to message me, only to tell me how great my body looked and that I was such an inspiration. I deal with that sort of ‘compliment’ daily, everywhere I go. So when an attractive girl messages me, to tell me that I’m attractive but that she has no romantic, etc. interest in me, I was quite hurt and ticked off by that.

It’s quite different that if I had sent a message to her and she had responded as such. It could be her way of letting me down gently. But she intiated the message, just to tell me im inspirational and good looking. It made me feel like, "You’re good looking…for a guy in a wheelchair.

I’m kind of surprised that you can see how out of line the dental hygienist was in this thread, while completely missing the far more egregious douchebaggery exhibited by the woman on OKCupid.

Well, yeah, that’s what it sounded like. I may have messed up and missed what you really meant to say…or, just perhaps, you didn’t say it clearly enough.

LOL. I don’t know how I could have said it clearer. Please go back and read it again with the proper context in mind. :slight_smile: