You’re not a tool of Satan. Just hurt inside like the rest of us. I’ll try not to aggrivate you man, but damn, the way you try to push my buttons makes me feel bad for you. I’m just trying to let you know someone cares. Don’t get so freaked out. I’m a human being just like you.
Tell that to the Druids at Mona or the Christians staring down the throat of a lion. The Romans let people worship as they chose as long as it was subservient to the Roman state. It was not so much as an ‘allowance’ as an irrelevance.
The Christians were killed for religious intolerance, and because their fellow Christians turned them in for disagreeing with them in matters of doctrine, as I recall.
It was kanicbird’s “pawn of Satan” bit I quoted and was mocking.
Eh, you don’t have to apologize to me. Judge your ass off, I don’t care. But you shouldn’t go around saying, “I don’t judge people,” when, in fact, you do it routinely. If nothing else, it’ll cut down on how often you need to apologize to Jesus, which I’m sure he would appreciate.
ahem See post 49.
(You mean you haven’t memorized this whole thread?) 
Did Christian settlers in the New World allow the natives to worship as they chose as long as they remained subservient? Were their slaves allowed to keep their traditions?
Not a believer in the Bible then, are you. If Jesus and God are one, we know that God directly killed many, and ordered the killing of many. Who defines morality, you or God? Would you tell Jesus that his order to kill doesn’t meet the high standards of your morality, so you’d refuse it? Talk about pride!
Actually, if you believe half of what the Bible says about what God has done, I am quite your that your level of morality is indeed much higher than the God of the Bible. But if you truly believe that God makes morality, you have no right to say that any command coming from God is wrong.
Since you seem like a good guy, think about this. Letting anyone else dictate what is right to you is very dangerous.
I have very little doubt that you are and have been subject to demonic oppression (not demonic possession), you have been steered away from Jesus intentionally. If you look at the pattern of your life you may be able to see this pattern, it is fairly clear to me, well as much as I can discern spirits over IP.
I used a unfortunate term, you are not under direct control of Satan, as a pawn would be, but your world view has been shaped by, I believe demonic forces - which are lower level satanic forces.
Voyager God is allowed to kill, those lives are His. Plus those are either in the old testament or in Revelation. When Jesus came He split time, a direct comparison between OT and NT events can not be made. Jesus will again split time in his second coming IMHO.
But besides that, there is only one killing left in scripture taht may be done by a follower of Christ, that of the beast, It does not say if it is actual a assasanation attempt or a accident, but the beast will apparently suffer a fatal wound, Satan will restore the beast to life.
We are not called to kill, except for perhaps this one time.
And I think your worldview is warped due to the influence of Invisible Evil Death Puppies from Sirius VII. Like all religious people, you are denying the truth of atheism becaue an Evil Death Puppy in your room is beaming phased axions into your temporal lobes. I’m protected because my +1 Tinfoil Helm of Protection keeps the axions out.
Care to explain why my theory is less silly than yours ?
But I do need to apologize. If I must do it every time I cross your path I will. That crap taught me a lesson. One I needed to learn. Color me crazier than a shithouse rat but I should have never spoken to you like that . Since then I have been very careful to treat people with respect . I need to thank you for teaching me that lesson. So Thanks !
MORE silly. I already know why it’s less silly.
Because neither of us believe your story.
OTOH, I think you know that I truly believe what I told you to be correct, you may think that I am delusional or just lost in emotionalism but my belief is not in any way misrepresented to you.
What I am saying in my delusional state is that your current views of true Christianity are distorted at best and outright lies at worse.
Has the name of Jesus been used improperly in the past and present and will it be in the future? - YES (and will be up until the second coming of Jesus), but you can no more blame this on Jesus then you would blame a child for the wrongdoings of the parents, or for that matter for the wrongdoings of a stranger. If you want to hate Jesus know the real Jesus first, not what people have told you, not the one quote that you have memorized (I bring a sword), which has nothing to do with physical conflict. At the very least make sure you hate Him for the right reason.
That doesn’t keep my story from being less silly than yours.
Yes, I can blame that on Jesus because he started that religion. And the opinion of the “real” Jesus is irrelevant because he’s long, long dead and affects nothing; the Jesus I’m speaking of is your imaginary Jesus.
Der Trihs, what are some principles that you do believe in? What virtues do you value? How did you come to value those particular things?
A few at random : Personal freedom, within reasonable limits ( and yes, defining “reasonable” is where it gets complicated ). The sanctity ( in the non-religious sense ) of the mind; I’d rather be killed than brainwashed; I might be dead, but I’d die as me. Facts should trump theory. A general dislike of any form of authority, while recognizing that some form is necessary if society isn’t to disintegrate. Intelligence and knowledge. The primacy of the mind over the body; if one could adjust the mind to fit the body, or the body over the mind ( in cases such as transgenderism ), then the body should fit the mind. The belief that it is the mind that defines whether something is a person, and not DNA, species or even aliveness; I’d value a self aware AI over a fertilized human egg. The belief that there is no virtue in hard work in itself; that one should work as hard as it takes to accomplish your goals, and that if you work harder you’re not being virtuous, but self destructive.The belief that friendship is a higher order relationship than love, because love seems to involve lower standards, and a large helping of manipulativeness ( most of which appears to be instinctive, and is unconscious ).
As for how I’ve come to believe what I believe, I’ve never been systematic about it. My beliefs are just the end product of thirtyodd years of experience, reading and thinking.
And you say this is a loving God that arbitrarily rewards people and snuffs them out for his own entertainment?
Der Trihs Is the mind just the integrative portion or does it extend all the way to its effectors, receptors and proprioceptors?
Apologies, I should have asked you which text of the Bible you prefer. I just went with the NIV because it was the one you were originally using; if you want to use another, feel free to say (I’m using an online Bible source, myself, so hopefully i’ll be able to accomodate you.
I disagree with your interpretation, i’m afraid. The line in question is “But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned”. That makes it seem pretty clear to me that the thorns and thistles themselves are not the curse (or, at least, are not the curse being talked about here). The land produces badness, but may still go uncursed. Likewise, I take the point to be that a person may do bad deeds, but that actually being cursed is still only a potential; it’s not a certainty.
I’m guessing then that you yourself are not in the once saved, always saved camp?
I apologise for snipping your analogy, and it was a good one in that I think I understand your point. However, I believe the basic point does remain; it is possible that if God and Satan “disappeared” that the world could go on happily for - well, an uncertain time. Perhaps a very short one, as per your WAG, perhaps a long time.
I suppose the question i’m really leading up to is this; is it possible, however unlikely in your view, that civilisation and people could continue to live in a similar state to now without God/Satan for the amount of time with God/Satan minus, for example, one minute? I apologise for what may seem a rude question, but I honestly don’t see a better way of putting it.
Ah, I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. I’m not saying that belief in curses in required in order to actually be cursed; you’re right, of course, in that a curse given by an outside source won’t be affected by your own belief or disbelief in curses (unless that source is limited in that way). What i’m saying is that acceptance of being cursed is dependent on a person believing in curses. Imagine that, through a choice I make, I am cursed by Satan. If I believe in Satan, and know about the curse, then I can accept that I am cursed. Now, imagine a situation where I don’t know about or believe in Satan, or know about or believe in curses. Clearly I am still cursed (in this hypothetical). Yet because I don’t know about the curse or the curse source, I can’t “accept” having the curse - because I don’t know about it! Think of it like being given an invisible, intangible, weightless present (or me being blind and having no arms, if you prefer the analogy that way). Clearly I have the present. But I don’t know about it, so I cannot mentally accept it. So were I to make a decision that involved me getting a curse/present; I could make the choice, but it wouldn’t be because i’ve accepted the true consequences.
Oh, ok. Then i’m afraid I have a new question for you; imagine person A, leading a life full of good works and faithfulness - except that he commits one sin (a remarkable person, I think you’d agree 
). Now imagine person B, who also commits that same sin in the same way as A - But B’s life is less full of worthiness.
Will both be judged equally? By that, I don’t mean will each face the same judge; rather, will each face the same judgement? Are they equal in the eyes of him upstairs?
Then there’s a problem - Paul seems to be suggesting that in fact one can, if not be forgiven, but be granted salvation if they have comitted the sin he refers to and fill their life with good works and love for him and others. I would argue, rather, that what the passage suggests is that while those who fall away are lost as long as they remain in that state, they still have hope for redemption should they come back to the light.