You’re equating tickling with rape?
How the fuck is non-consensual sex really consensual? What kind of shithead says “tough” if his partner isn’t in the mood? How is that remotely “respectful?” If the partner doesn’t want sex, then the “respectful” thing to do is not rape them.
What am I, Straight Dope paparazzi? I’d rather feed your script to the neighborhood cat than read it. Thanks, though. I’m sure it’s a laugh riot (if not quite in the way you intended).
You also never answered my question. Is it not true that your children are just as unable to consent to their mothers’ intent to raise them as Christians? I asked mine first, so answer it or fuck off. Or, preferably, both.
You’ve never been to a rugby party, I take it.
This is not being addressed. I am listening, well, reading…
Except what sounds like rape to you is in fact not rape so long as there is consent. No one wants to get tackled in a football game, but because there is consent, there is no assault. The same applies to adult rape/sexual assault – if there is consent, there is no rape/sexual assault.
Maybe I’m mistaken, but it doesn’t seem to me that the poster you’re responding to was refering to any kind of gender identity, but simply was opposing man(adult) to boy (children).
I had no clue you had any gender identity issue, and the post was making perfect sense to me.
Then why did you ask about it?
How would you know if you aren’t willing to read it?
My kids can stop being raised as Christians any time they want to. We always tell them they are allowed to believe whatever they want. I don’t see how this is analogous, though.
But she said he has sex with her whether she consents or not. At least, that was what she strongly implied.
Is there a question in there somewhere? If so, then I’m not seeing it. How do you figure my kids don’t see a “mother and father”? What defines a parent? In my mind, it means two people who love and care for their children and meet their needs. We give the kids food, shelter, love, discipline (when they need it, which isn’t often), compassion, mercy, clothing, toys, time, understanding… What do they need to see me as a mom that I’m not giving them? Or Joe as a dad?
That’s an easy one. Mutual fucking respect. Acting out subservience in front of your kids is fucked up and you need counselling.
She consents to have sex even when she doesn’t want to have sex. That’s not rape.
Plus, didn’t you say in a recent post that the only issue you had was the children, and not the sexual part of their relationship? Now, you’re stating she’s the victim of a rapist.
You might use nicer words than ** Martin Hyde ** and ** Shodan **, but basically, you’re holding the same position : these people are ill, he’s an abuser, and she’s unable to give a meaningful consent.
Diogenes, I’ve given examples of MUTUAL FUCKING RESPECT repeatedly. Just go to hell and leave me to my sick and twisted depravity already.
I’m equating consent with consent. Both are violations of personal space and, sometimes, one’s feeling of safety. And the anti-tickling Crusade of–what, six pages ago?–certainly thought it was tantamount to that or worse. And my relationships have demanded much more than that from me, but it didn’t fit some red herring of yours, so I guess it’s not really applicable.
In a way you will never understand and have no desire to sympathize with.
What kind of self-respecting Doper puts words in other people’s mouths? I believe the phrase was, ‘If I’m not in the mood […] tough.’ The shittyheady words are you assuming that this really short paraphrase (cuz guess what, you don’t have full rights to someone else’s private time) are his exact words and entire self-identy, when I’m pretty sure you’ve never witnessed the lead-up to or motivations behind this rape you’re so quick to label.
I find it truly bizarre that you’ve chosen this, of all moments, to finally pass judgment on a lifestyle choice, Dio.
The lifestyle in question is by its very nature difficult to accurately describe using words. You really have absolutely no idea what they do in front of their kids, because you aren’t watching it yourself (presumably).
Still, they’re rational adults, and freekalette is comfortable enough with what she does in front of her kids to talk openly about it in a public forum.
So how about you give her the benefit of the doubt, rather than steaming over the images in your head- that are doubtless born more of your own experiences than what you’ve learned in her thread?
She said, “If I’m not in the mood for a little lovin’ tonight, tough.” “I’m not in the mood,” does not sound like consent. “Tough” does not sounmd like consent is required.
That was before I read in the other thread that it’s just “tough” if she doesn’t want to have sex. It’s a tangential issue, though. If she doesn’t want people to think she’s being raped, she shouldn’t post in such a highly provocative manner. How am I supposed to be able to tell if “not in the mood” really means what it says or not? I took it at face value.
I think the first two are probably true (she’s admitted to suicidal depression and he shows a lack of respect for the feelings of her kids). The third is unclear.
The main problem for me is still the inability of either partner to keep it away from the children. If he’s “ordering her around” and making her wear spiked dog collars then they aren’t keeping it away from the children and they are giving the impression that men have the right to dominate women (and that the woman’s feelings don’t matter).
I’m not judging a lifestyle choice, I’m judging a parenting choice.
I’m going by what she said in the other thread. She said, at the least, that he “orders her around” in front of the kids and that they’ve seen her wearing a dog collar. I’m not guessing, I’m just taking her at her word.
I’m conncerned about your selfish parenting choices, not your “depravity.” Tryong to frame it as a judgement on sexual choices is just evasive bullshit. Keep it away from your kids, that’s all. You should not be teaching them that women should be subservient to men.
No, she never said such a thing. Please show your cite, or retract your statement.
You continue to ignore the fact that a person can consent to an action that the person is not in the mood for at that time. Ever had an operation? Were you in the mood for it? Of course you were not (or if your were, you are a lot freakier than freakalette). Guess why the doctor was not charged? Because you consented.
So I could print it out and feed it to the neighborhood cats.
Gee, somehow I just have a hunch.
I’m sure they’re going to ask any day now, considering that they’ve been raised with a Christian worldview and brought to a Christian church every week.
But OK. For the sake of argument, I’ll go ahead and accept that it’s not relevant. In which case whether or not I have children isn’t relevant. Thanks for playing, though.
How am I teaching them that women SHOULD be subservient to men? I’ve already said that I told them that sometimes women are the decision makers (terminology that they understand and is age-appropriate) and sometimes the men are, and sometimes it’s equal. How is that telling them what SHOULD happen? The only thing I’ve taught them that they should do is to be open and honest and respectful/nice to others. Yep, screwin’ 'em right up, I am.