I’m yet to forgive Jaime for pushing Bran out of the window, let alone Melisandre. She’s not exactly evil, she’s an extremist absolutely convinced she owns the truth and that the end justifies any means (she answers at some point to lord Fingercut, can’t remember his name at the moment, that OK, he saved one life but doomed tens of thousands of other lives in the process). So, basically, she’s like the Nazis or ISIS leaders, except that contrarily to them she’s right about the desirable outcome but totally wrong about the way to go there (if at least she had been right, I could have accepted Shireen sacrifice : horrible, but in the end better than the end of all life).
Jaime has acted like a cold-blooded murderer, very close to being a psychopath. Not just with Bran, but also when he murdered his own cousin in order escape, for instance. And of course he supported all the way one of the vilest character of the show. There’s not much redemption from that, in my book. Same with Theon who got children killed for propaganda purpose. Same with the hound who doesn’t give a shit about killing innocent people or robbing them and letting them starve to death, etc…
I’m not terribly forgiving nor very amenable to “redemption” in shows and movies, I’m afraid.
Was going to say Hodor because he was never anything but a helpless pawn, made so since his youth in a time travel brain rape perpetuated by the very guy he would loyally die defending.
I really really hated that scene (so it was good). Not a wicked or spiteful bone in her body despite all the justification should she have been a complete twat. Just sweetness. Shireen was treated badly and died in betrayal. I’d prefer being ripped apart by zombies.
Thanks, guys. I’m not sure where I got that notion.
I do plan to watch the whole series eventually but at this point, having heard so much about it I’m not in any way bothered about spoilers. Sorry to hijack the thread, but can anyone recommend some specific eps to watch? I’ve yet to see this Red Wedding everyone talks about, but I don’t think that is it’s actual title(?) Should I watch the whole ep where Ned dies or just that scene? I must admit, I’ve never been into the fantasy genre but this is like a really dark prime time soap opera with really great costumes and special effects.
The episodes won’t work well independent of each other. Watch the first 5 as brain prep (lots of characters with meaningful dialogue that is only meaningful after you’ve had a chance to learn who the characters really are), then start over and binge.
The correct title is : “The rains of Castamere”. My preferred episode of the whole series might be season 6 episode 10 : “Winds of winter” (especially the opening part, but there are many other very significant scenes in it), but neither can have the same impact if you haven’t seen the rest of the series. There are some good battle scenes, too (“Blackwater” or “Battle of the bastards”, for instance).
Out of context and without the shock factor, the death of Ned Stark is just some scene, although rather well done.
Maybe you could just watch some “best scenes of Game of Thrones” videos on youtube. You could find interesting videos that follow a specific character too : “all Tywin scenes” or whatever.
She was a murderous pillager. That part wasn’t really lovable, IMO. Her death was entirely deserved, and the boy who killed her entirely justified and a hero. I disliked that so many hated his character as a result.
Having been able to ignore this and love her was Jon’s main moral fault in the show, as was Danaerys’ love for Khal Drogo.
Eh, it was all she’d ever known, all her people had ever known, for generations. She was a product of her environment. I seem to recall a couple of moments where she was amenable to giving up all of that in exchange for something better. Likewise, Drogo was a product of his environment, but he never really hinted at wanting to settle down and just be a gentleman farmer somewhere. HIS big concession was allowing missionary.
I think it was Ygriddtded’s inclination to mellow out that allow many to find endearing. That said, she WAS perfectly fine with being a murderous pillager.
Some ahole on this board spoiled Robb’s death (seriously it was “I forget, have we gotten to the part where Robb gets killed?” WTF was wrong with that person) so I was expecting that the whole time… did not expect Catelyn getting her throat slashed as well.
Yeah, the other reason I stopped watching GoT is when someone on 4chan posted a link to a leaked script and made some smartass comment about “a certain Lannister’s life being cut short”.
Robb and Catelyn at the Red Wedding. I was more sad about Hodor and more horrified by Shireen’s death, but the Red Wedding totally changed what I thought the show was about. Ned’s death was briefly shocking, but I realized soon afterwards that the book/show was about The North and King Robb getting revenge. When the Red Wedding happened, it threw everything I thought I knew about the storyline out the window.
This doesn’t make it better, but he does give a shit about killing innocent people in that many times he explained how much he enjoys killing people. That’s his thing.
You mean, the elder of the 2 sisters that destroyed Westeros? I’d say she had it coming. She probably toyed with Petyr Baelish in her youth, driving him crazy and fueling his grand ambitions, all the while making her sister jealous to the point of allowing him to convince her to kill her own husband. Can’t blame Cersei for that one. The act that really started the whole thing to begin with. And let’s not forget, Catelyn’s own husband didn’t even trust her with his sister’s secret. Why? Isn’t that what drove her to mistreat Jon Snow, forcing him to “take the black” when Ned left for the capital, leaving Winterfell exposed when Robb went to war? How about Catelyn making the unilateral decision to let the only man that Cersei ever loved go free? I’d say, in terms of harm done in Westeros, the throne belongs to Lady Stark.
I read all the books so the first big death I didn’t see coming was Hodor’s and it hit me like a ton of bricks, mostly because of how artfully it was done. Shireen was a close second, mostly because I was Team Stannis all the way until that moment.
In fairness, her decision to release Jaime Lannister pretty much cost the North the war. There’s no way Tywin would’ve tried any wedding shenanigans while Robb still had his beloved son hostage.
And if she’d never kidnapped Tyrion on nothing more than Littlefinger’s say-so, he probably would’ve gone back to Casterly Rock and spent the rest of his days goofing off and Stannis would’ve likely won the Battle of the Blackwater. Plus, she was a total bitch to Jon Snow for no reason at all.
Yeah, Catelyn’s a very interesting character but mostly for how bad she sucks at almost everything.