Crap. Never open a thread, read it late, then quick reply without refreshing.
Speaking only for myself, when I make that sort of remark (which I’ve been known to), it’s not that I’m comparing my sexual attractiveness unfavorably to that of a kid. It’s more a matter of “Oh, to have that body and know what I know today!”
My feeling would be, which of these comments do you think it would be ok for the 15 year old and her mother to overhear? If neither, than they are both creepy. I’m guessing she would have more of a problem with the guys comments.
Myself, I find the guys comments creepier because it carries the tone of checking out a minor in a sexual way.
She’s not hanging out. She’s working. It’s not odd at all.
To the OP, I don’t find either comment creepy or odd. Regardless of what a man may think of a 35-year-old woman’s body, most 35-year-old women liked their bodies better at 15 than they do at 35. At least, that’s how most of my friends and family would answer.
Thank you! I don’t understand the concept of not consuming alcohol around young people. When did that start?
Those comments aren’t creepy at all. Licking the seat of the bicycle she rode over on - now that would be creepy. At least that’s what the judge told me.
Here’s a shot with a clue-by-four: heterosexual guys check out women. Riding public transportation, I’ll see many, many pretty women - if I think they’re too young, I’ll think to myself “Too young” move on to the next one. If not, I’ll think, “ooh, just right” and move on to the next one. Just because someone is too young doesn’t mean they can’t be pretty.
Maturing girls do go through changes, and if anyone, man or woman, pretends not to notice, they’re being a stuck-up prude, afraid of human sexuality. I’ve coached my daughter’s middle school volleyball team since the girls were 7-8; now they are 13-14 (and trying to pretend/act like they’re 16-18). I never have, and never will, touch or treat these girls in any inappropriate way (barring ordering push-ups for not listening to the coaches), but you can’t miss that these girls are no longer asexual 8 year olds. (That said, I don’t talk to anyone about how the girls look, and constantly scan crowds for men whose interest on the court is not the volleyball game).
Thanks. I was trying to reply to Antinor’s post but I couldn’t write anything that didn’t make me sound like a dirty old man. 
The fact is, lots of teenage girls are attractive, and they don’t always have their ages tattooed on their foreheads so guys know whether they need to switch off their libidos.
And homosexual guys like myself check out men. And in the same way if I see a hot guy but am pretty sure he’s a minor, I’ll move on to another.
This is not what was mentioned. This was a group of men who know, not just think that they are old enough to be the father of this 15 year old sitting around prodding each other on how they think she looks. That’s the part that carries a tone of creepy to me. That may not be the way it was meant, but opinions were asked and I gave mine.
So she’s a working girl, there’s your problem.
I’ll refrain from quoting Al Swearingon.
Look, let’s not pretend the world isn’t a f’d up place.
I’m sure in this particular instance all people involved are real stand up people.
However, as a father I know that sometimes alcohol can lead to some poor decision making skills to say the least. I’d be really concerned myself if I found out after the fact that my fifteen year old daughter were in an environment where a bunch of drinking 30something year old men where hanging out; “noticing” her.
Can we tattoo it on their left buttock? I’d rather not find out so quickly. 
“I swear, judge, I didn’t find out her age until… well, until it was too late!”
From the OP:
There is nothing sinister about this statement. He didn’t say it was a bunch of guys hanging around drinking. He said, “some” of his male friends. He didn’t even say there was more than one guy at a time present. It’s a perfectly respectable statement made by men who have her looks and age in perspective. Jeeeezzzz.
:mad:
Oh, so she’s Bill Gates, is she? What am I? Al Bundy?
stomps off in a huff
Dirty minds think other’s thoughts are likewise dirty?
I don’t talk about my girls in that respect, especially because most of the people I would talk to would be their parents or the parents of other teammates, and I want to be able to field a team this season (their last at middle school). 
However, I can see someone saying, “That girl is going to break hearts some day,” to a close friend about some of the girls.
I’m not going to go to very great lengths to defend it, because it is a little bit creepy when you find that you’ve been ogling a minor. I will point out, though, that this is in the same context as the women admiring various parts of the girl’s body. This may be the “prodding” the OP refers to, if there is any.
No shit. It’s silly to try to demonize alcohol into something that children must be protected from even seeing consumed. I’d much rather have it be modeled in a fun & responsible manner than not treated at all, forcing the kids to make their own behavioral standards later on.
FYI, in my state, the age of consent is 16. Check out this list and this map. Almost all the countries’ (and provinces’ or states’) consent ages fall into a fairly narrow band a couple of years after, IIRC, typical menarche. If attraction to girls in their mid teens was so outrageously out of line, I’m sure the ages would reflect that fact. The society of the States has adoped a standard of 18 years old, and like many cultural standards that don’t quite match our biological standards, we accept this standard and enforce it with moral outrage, even if the behavior is legal. However, just as peeing in a dark alley doesn’t warrant outrage like peeing at a busy intersection might, acknowledging and/or commenting on attractiveness doesn’t warrant outrage like hitting on a 15 year old would.
Plus, there’s the added benefit of getting a buddy to admit to being attracted and then taunting him for being a perv. That’s good fun, don’tcha know.
That doesn’t work because the rule would get the same results for a 30-year-old woman.
Anecdote time: Just about ten minutes ago I was walking downtown and in front of me was a young woman, maybe 5’10" with a totally smokin’ hot body, Daisy Duke cutoff shorts, halter top, long tanned legs, curves in all the right places, etc. walking along the same sidewalk, her back to me. I wasn’t leering at her but I’m sure it was apparent to the casual observer that I was checking her out. Then she abruptly turned around to check out something in a store display window and from her face and voice and mannerisms it was quickly apparent that this girl, with a body that wouldn’t be at all out of place in a swimsuit issue or a lingerie catalog, had to be all of 13 or 14.
Geez.
OK, so what does it look like if she hadn’t turned around and some people watching the scene noticed me checking her out? I look like a perv, and never realize that I’m checking out a 13 year-old, that’s what!
I say again…geez.