Whisky Tango Foxtrot!!! Shooting at the Holocaust Museum

And remember, DNFTT.

To answer your questions, that Department of Homeland Security report on right-wing hate groups need to be reopened, and then redone with about a thousand times more heavy-duty rectal-probing of the ringleaders.

Perhaps the utter fucking lunacy of trying to pin this on Obama deflected it?

Not really, US PT boats operated in the English Channel and the Mediterranean.

I’m sorry, this is off topic, but it struck a memory chord. I lived in DC when the museum opened and remember reading something in the WaPo. The shaky elevators and overcrowded start of the tour (remember how it opened up as you went along til at the end you were practically alone?) is intentional. It’s to invoke a sort of claustrophobic feeling as if you were jammed into a cattle car. I knew about it going in which I think unsettled me even more.

I really can’t come up with anything to say about this other than “Well, fuck.”

Okay thats a new one for me , I did not realize that. I was under the assumption that the Royal Navy pretty much handled that.

Anyways , it was more the four battle stars that he says he recieved on his website, which suggested the pacific, however the navy says that he enlisted as an EM in april of 42, and then went Naval reserve almost a year later.

Sorta makes me wonder if his biography is heavy on colesterol.

Declan

Sweetly naive, I guess. (Sorry late) Seriously, I get the “Jew” hate ( I don’t agree, but I understand the argument), but the museum? Who at the museum is a threat?

(Skald, I’m ‘white and free’ but I am NOT disingenuous. I don’t have your insight but I don’t understand what shooting up a museum would accomplish. Surely there are better “jew” organizations to hit.

One might assume that a Holocaust Musem would be full of Jews and “Jew-lovers”. If that’s who you want to kill, it would be a good place to find them.

Besides, it’s a high-profile place, as is evident by the media reaction. Terrorists thrive on attention.

“The Jew is using the Black as muscle against you.”

The shooter wasn’t from Illinois, was he?

In 88-year-olds. Everyone else is shaking their heads in disbelief, which would be another story if it were against people of a different melanin content, which we understand on a visceral level even if many of us don’t believe in it.

The vast majority of people in America don’t even understand anti-semitism much less believe in it.

We gotta debate this “sweetly naive” versus “terribly disingenuous” thing all over again?

John de Nugent, a white separatist and friend of James von Brunn, quoted in this morning’s Washington Post.

The problem is that it only takes a few wackjobs who really believe in it to cause a certain amount of paranoia for Jews, which is something non-Jews do not experience - it is expressed mostly in low level harrasment like having gravestones kicked over and swastikas spray-painted on synagogues, but very rarely breaks out into actual terrorism - meaning that Jewish places of worship, daycare centres and the like have to be somewhat more security-concious than non-Jewish ones.

It isn’t all about the 88 year olds - there are lots of neo-Nazi skinhead types who are younger than that.

I certainly imagine Blacks have it worse with KKK types firebombing churches in some places in the US, but here in Canada that’s somewhat less of a factor. In my city of Toronto, Jews are the #1 target for hate crimes, beating out Blacks, gays or Muslims:

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/05/20/9508881-sun.html

Annoying that these wackjobs always believe the same tired farrago of consipracy theories and Jew-hating nuttiness.

Just for once, can’t one of 'em shoot people at an aquarium in the name of preventing the return of Cthulhu’s minions?

'the hell? :smack:

Only possible response: “don’t worry about it”. :smiley:

So if we gave the white separatists Montana, or Wyoming (sorry to all residents there, but it won’t be for long) and then recognized them as a sovereign nation, we could invade them, run tanks over them, and allow the state to re-enter the Union?

I hate Illinois Nazis.

He was a member for one year, 1987. He let his membership lapse, but continued to claim the affiliation.

Not a “decorated” veteran in any real sense of the word. Battle stars are awarded with campaign medals, indicating that not only were you in the area for a particular campaign, but that you were actually in a battle as well. Commendation Ribbons are unit awards. None of these are awarded as any sort of recognition of personal valour or accomplishment. Even the battle stars may be awarded simply for being in the vicinity with your unit, whether or not you personally actually heard any gunfire.

The fact that he makes such a big deal of these “decorations” indicates that he has no real military accomplishments to brag about.