Good points.
But that is true also.
I expect quite a number of people on “whitedate” were of the MAGA cult at least, but I am willing to be not all are- and that is the problem with generalities.
I mean, we dont see anything bigoted about blacks wanting to date just other blacks?
This is, of course, reductive nonsense.
Not remotely even close to my type.
But there really isn’t such a thing as “white culture”. There’s Irish culture and French culture and German culture and so on, but they have very little in common, and what little they do should be marked by a different label (say, “Christian culture”).
You don’t have to be ashamed but being ignorant of the actions of the past is seriously frowned on here, along with most other forms of ignorance. Not that I think you are in any way ignorant or excusing the actions of the past!
Throwing some shade at myself and my own sub-group, there was definite pushback from my grandparent’s generation when I didn’t marry a Jew, though it was more-or-less only communicated via non-verbal means. My parents were supportive though, as they didn’t care if I married in the faith as long as I married someone smart.
So I can intellectually understand a POV where you want to find a partner with a shared ethnocultural background. The question is, are the parties being doxxed doing so in a general sense, or are they effectively a white-supremist gathering point.
Quoting from Reply’s Wayback link:
Traditional men are seeking women who have woken up to the power of femininity embracing beauty, softness, and grace, and who trust men to take initiative during the dating game.
Unfortunately, a lot of work needs to be done to de-program the brainwashed minds from feminism and nihilism telling men and women that sexuality is merely a consumer good and that future generations do not matter.
Nevertheless, we noticed that a general awakening is taking place motivating Millennials and Generation Z to revolt against the narrative imposed by the Western media and education system. They understand that the enforced disconnection from their ancestry and the nudging into consumerism turn them into rootless individuals, like feathers in the wind, always yearning for the next hedonistic stimulus but never finding profound connection nor satisfaction.
Many women had to bear numerous painful experiences before understanding that the myth of equality made them act against the course of nature disenchanting and frustrating men by chasing them and thus depriving men from the pleasure of conquest.
There’s a LOT more in the link, but I think it’s clear from context that at least that specific site was about self-selecting for a much more narrow viewpoint than just a preference for a matched appearance/race.
Not a single "race’ that doesnt have things to be ashamed of in the past. Nor any major religion for that matter. Humans can be very nasty to other humans.
You have full agreement from me, which is why I included an example of the exclusionary nature of some members of my own in-group.
When was that? Immediately after the Elves first woke up by Cuiviénen? That’s a long memory…
It’s not “forbidden”, it’s just treated with the derision any other counterfactual idea is, like Atlantis or Bigfoot.
I mean, what is “White culture”? I live in what used to be the pinnacle of White supremacy, and there’s no “White culture” here and never was. There was Boer culture, there was English culture, or Portuguese culture, etc. but White culture? No such beast.
I doubt it’s any different in the famously undivided (\s) USA. The closest you’re going to get is the generic Middle America WASP culture, I think. But that’s not going to cover even a majority of White Americans, pretty sure.
I generally hate the blanket term ‘White’ it’s such a useless term: that I come from European ancestors, but not the Spanish/Portuguese speaking ones.
Also did anyone check the leaked info?
Okstupid(.)lol
I skimmed my area and these people were 100% racist with the intent of preserving a ‘master’ race.
I would expect that. The okstupid site is a partial publication of the scraped data and probably omits the more innocuous profiles when possible.
That’s because the only people pushing a “pride in White culture” narrative are white supremacists. It’s a racist concept, invented by racists, to push a racist ideology. That’s simply a fact of history.
The only thing that might make one give that site the benefit of the doubt is that it is a dating site and skin color is a perfectly legit and usually-not-racist sexual preference for many people. For cultural preference, you need to drill down a Hell of a lot deeper than just “white”.
I concur. Mind you, I would think more of their clientele voted MAGA. But not all, which is why this disturbs me a bit.
For the folks tentatively suggesting that a “white-only” dating website might be acceptable because “only dating your own race” is generally a socially acceptable practice: would you feel similarly about someone opening a single’s bar that only admits white people?
Plus, in any dating site I’ve seen, you can tell it your dating preferences, including race, religion, income level, etc. These people could have used any dating site and limited their choices to White. Obviously, that’s not all they cared about.
Oh, huh, I guess while I was gone, a bunch of posts were split into a separate GD topic? I’ll have to read that later: Does "White Culture" Exist?
As for the rest of it…
As they should be 
And thank you, but there’s plenty I don’t know too! I post here in part to share, in part to learn. I just think it’s an interesting if difficult discussion that’d be impossible to have anywhere but here (i.e., it would be a true nightmare on reddit or Facebook).
It’s probably both? There’s inevitably overlap. Even the same individual may go from one to the other on the escalator of radicalization (and hopefully back down again at some point…).
Like:
Not only is this equivalence an over-generalization (maybe not much of one, granted), it also becomes a sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that if there’s no socially acceptable place for non-white-supremacists to gather to date only other white people, then the only places left for them to gather without shame would be the MAGA and Nazi type places.
I think it’s only human nature to want to seek out your in-group, and if they can’t find that in the mainstream without shame and ostracization, they’re going to move more and more towards the fringes, where they get love-bombed and radicalized into a brotherhood of hate.
I mean, yes, and no. It’s an oversimplification for the sake of discussion, but also… I think it’s a large part of why MAGA was so successful and seemingly took so many non-conservatives by surprise.
There was so much pent-up guilt and shame from decades of liberal thought that for someone to come along and suddenly openly embrace, celebrate, and proudly wear their “whiteness” and “non-wokeness” must’ve been an irresistible seduction and catharsis.
It’s as if a quarter of the country suddenly went “oh wow, I don’t have to feel bad about myself anymore?” — of course that is going to be more appealing to a large swath of the population than “You’re the oppressor, you’re privileged, and even if you don’t feel that way, you’re still partially responsible because it’s systemic and societal.” I’m paraphrasing there, but that was a large part of the discourse from the cultural left not so long ago, before the anti-woke counterattack flipped the narrative and won quite decisively.
There’s probably another half of the population in the middle who didn’t really strongly feel that way, but were outshouted from both sides and forced to choose a side. Add in the faux-populism and blue-collar dog-whistling of the MAGA movement vs the cultural focus of the left… it isn’t hard to see how that snowballed into Trump 2.0, the tradwife movement, etc.
In the US, it’s just my lazy shorthand for the post-Obama DEI period through the post-covid years, and the accompanying corporate policies and cultural momentum then that gave rise to things like an explosion in DEI consulting firms, increased “rainbow capitalism” at Target and other big retailers, etc. Intersectionality was briefly a buzzword then. Companies and federal agencies, too, were trying to jump on the bandwagon. The “woke” term itself was originally a self-signifier for the left before being co-opted by their opponents as a pejorative.
Needless to say, that era has now ended, with the federal government dismantling all the DEI programs and tying university funding to anti-woke policies, etc. Retailers, too, have pulled back on their diversity programming (“rainbow capitalism”) once the cultural push receded.
I don’t know how it was experienced elsewhere, but as a working-age adult here (and also a recent college grad at the time), it was a very visible shift in priorities, messaging (both what to say and what to not say), etc., compared to the decade before or after it. I don’t know what else to call it if not an “era” — it was probably hoped to be the start of a new epoch, but the conservative pushback was so abrupt and so severe that not only did the woke movement lose almost all the ground it gained over that period, they lost a lot of hard-won victories from the past too.
There were only two in my area (to my surprise — it’s pretty purple here, and I expected there to be a lot more). The one lady whose profile I read seemed almost “rural normal” (horses, church, family, etc.)… aside from the long list of white-supremacist-adjacent Facebook groups she was also a part of… it wasn’t all that different from similar profiles I’ve seen on OkCupid, aside from the obvious white signaling (that probably would never have been allowed on Match Group sites).
I didn’t get to see the other one before the archive went down (at least temporarily; not sure if it’s back up).
(Edit: It came back up. Browsed a few more. Most were white identity focused. Some were scary. A few were just lonely and nondescript)
Admittedly, that does feel different. My lame-ish excuse / attempt to ward off cognitive dissonance, maybe, is that in the real world, public retail space is finite and there’s a danger of altogether excluding people from an entire community if such things were legal.
Online “real estate” is less finite, and the existence of a whites-only site doesn’t really “crowd out” a more welcoming space.
Along those same lines, I don’t feel as icky about private clubs based on some selective criteria — whether race or wealth or alma mater or whatever. Yes, such an all-white club could be the KKK, but it may also just be your local Lions or Moose lodge or such, depending on the era and place. (And probably there’s overlap.)
I remember that being true in the distant past (2010s and prior), but are you sure that’s still a thing? OkCupid, for example, used to have that, but I don’t think they do any longer. Whether that’s a cultural backlash or simple corporatization following their Match.com acquisition, I don’t know.
I don’t understand why someone who is not already a white supremacist would need to find a place that only allows white people in order to find other white people to socialize with. Like, I haven’t been on OKCupid for more than a decade at this point (and when I was on there, I never had any interest in filtering my matches by race) so I don’t know if that functionality is there or not, but you can still just… scroll past the people who are too dark for your personal taste?
The thing is, there was never a time in this country where this was remotely true. The idea that liberals were enforcing some sort of white guilt is a right-wing lie invented to stir up racial animosity.
I definitely feel a high level of ick over any private club that filters its membership by skin color. I might not feel that should be illegal, but I’m definitely not making friends with anyone who wants to be part of a club like that.
It was actually right-wingers who were enforcing the notion of white guilt. If a white kid feels guilty about being the same race as slavers, the problem isn’t the liberal saying that slavery is bad. The problem is the conservative who’s telling the white kids that the slavers are the people they should be identifying with.
I’m not entirely sure about that. It’s a pretty standard article of faith among the left that white people need to do a lot more for others because of history. This thing is said because it’s 100% true, and it gets pushback because nobody wants to take responsibility, so we have to lay out the whole case for equity, which is a guilt trip for people who won’t even consider fixing the situation. So I’m not sure it’s helpful to pretend there’s no guilt dynamic in play.
But of course it doesn’t stop there, because that guilt then makes people rationalize why they shouldn’t feel any guilt for doing nothing. “They want me to apologize for being white”. No, nobody’s asking that. Why would they? It wouldn’t help anything. It doesn’t reduce privilege or increase equity. There are many lies in that particular vein.
The underlying premise is that “justice” demands recompense. That is one way that the RW sells “white shame” so effectively. We are all so conditioned to the idea that sins must be paid for that it is too easy to convince people that the cost of fixing this problem will be much higher than just practicing decency.