OK, I won’t. I wasn’t there, either. But I do know how to use Google, and here are a few things I came up with from a Spokane newspaper. I dug it up for a Pit discussion but since I understand you don’t go there, this is a quick rehash:
Matt Shea considers it a matter of faith that that “the United States is ‘a Christian nation’ and his detractors are part of a ‘counter state’ made up of ‘Marxists’ and ‘Islamists’.”
Shea embraces far-right conspiracy theories, associates with a fundamentalist religious group in northern Stevens County and champions a push for a 51st state called “Liberty”.
His manifesto resembles the work of the Marble Community Fellowship, a Stevens County congregation practicing a strain of fundamentalist Christianity called “dominionism”, and which authored its own document referring to Jews as “anti-Christs” and condemning interracial marriage. Shea has been a featured speaker at Marble’s annual Fourth of July God and Country Celebration.
Shea visited right-wing activists during their armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Eastern Oregon in 2016. According to one of Shea’s prominent critics, “The goal of these groups has always been to create a white homeland consisting of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington. The ideas presented in the (biblical war) document are how these groups intend to seize control, by force, should there be a governmental collapse or civil war.”
So to the extent you claimed in #77 that maybe these were just Sunday school notes, you’ll be interested to know that the “Sunday school notes” are now being actively investigated by the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force. Also as a matter of interest, according to this Matt Shea was allegedly relieved of his weapons while serving in Iraq due to anger management issues, and accused of pulling a gun on another motorist in a road rage incident.
That’s not how it works. The FBI’s job in this case is to determine if Shea should be charged with a federal crime, not to rule on whether he’s a raving lunatic, a premise that in this case needs no further confirmation based on the evidence. We also won’t know if he’s been placed on – or already is on – a federal watch list. I’d certainly want to keep an eye on this guy and his fellow white Christian warriors.
Liberals talking to Republicans in an elevator; or making a ruckus while a politician is eating = mobs stirring up uncivil behavior that’s turning our nation to crap.
Conservatives writing plans for a Christian jihad = let’s just see where this is going…
Yes, that’s what I meant by ‘see what, if anything, turns up’. From this post I assume we’re in agreement that the “document” is unlikely to result in any federal charges, despite your excited “being actively investigated by the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force” line.
I’m comfortable letting the voters of his district make that determination.
You’re also apparently comfortable with his potential ascendancy to the presidency of the US:
It’s not a surprise to me that you would defend a white-supremacist Christian jihadist, nor the fact that you acknowledge that voters – when sufficiently deluded – can elect virtually any lunatic to a position of great power. Which is obviously true, but the non-surprising part is that you approve, as long as the lunatic aligns with your own ideology.
Other than you and “one of Shea’s prominent critics” claiming so, I don’t see any evidence for “white-supremacist”. There wasn’t anything overt in “Biblical Basis for War”, was there? (Maybe something more subtle? 10. f.?) Is there any, or are you just in full-on lefty rage mode and that just slips in there out of habit?
Yeah, conservatives seem to be working themselves into hysteria over this comment. It’s like Republicans are just looking for a reason to be offended and be in full-on rage mode because a non-Republican woman said something. I don’t see it as a big deal.
Matt Shea is a sovcit, right wing nut job. He’s been arrested for pulling a gun in a road rage incident. He went to Malheur in support of the Bundy’s. He recently attended the “New Code of the West” far-right gathering which happened to be in Whitefish, MT, home of alt-right douche Richard Spencer. And yet the idiots in his District keep re-electing him. I hope this time is different. Fuck him, his dream state of “Liberty” and the entire redoubt movement.
Bingo. The end of Acts 2 describes in glowing terms a communistic society of believers. And the one verse in the Bible that might have some bearing on abortion, Exodus 21:22, is apparently sufficiently ambiguous in the Hebrew that it’s translated different ways by different translators.
Other evidence this document is prescriptive rather than descriptive is the inclusion of a small selection of New Testament verses that have nothing to do with war, such as James 4:8 and 4:17. If he was merely describing how the Old Testament places war in something like a moral context, these verses would have no place in this document.
Nice to see your commitment to honesty in government. I’m pleasantly surprised to see that, per 538, McAdams seems likely to win despite the very conservative leanings of the district. One thing you have to say for the Mormons, they aren’t generally willing to vote for a sleazy crook just because said sleazy crook shares their political opinions. Present company excepted, of course.
The “prominent critic” mentioned is actually the Spokane County Sheriff, a Republican. He and his deputies have frequently faced death threats for his opposition to Shea. More here.
And yes, there is nothing in the manifesto explicitly about race. Apparently his call to slaughter non-Christians is color-blind, so that’s OK. And the group at whose gatherings he has repeatedly been a featured speaker hasn’t called Jews “anti-Christs” or called for banning interracial marriage since, um, 1988. Why, they even have a black member! So clearly, any suggestion that he might be racist is mere liberal slander.:rolleyes: and the fact that he’s comfortable sharing a platform with this guy:
[spoiler]Marble Community Fellowship’s founder and leader, Barry Byrd, helped pen a 1988 manifesto called the Remnant Resolves. The document included passages stating that it’s blasphemous to call “antichrists” like Jews “the Chosen People” or to allow them to hold public office. It says that “Inter-racial marriage pollutes the integrity of marriage.”
Since then, the Byrds have fervently condemned racism and distanced themselves from their former controversial church, The Ark in Colville. Marble Community Fellowship counts an African-American, Doug Taft, among its leadership. (More than once, Shea has pointed to his close friendship with Taft to counter accusations of racism.)
Yet Marble’s break with racist ideology hasn’t been a clean one. Along with Shea, one of the key speakers at this year’s God and Country rally was Pastor John Weaver, who has a history: He’s praised the Confederacy in sermon after sermon. He’s put out a tract arguing that slavery is not inherently against Scripture and that some slaves “blessed the Lord” for saving them from Africa with their enslavement. He has called interracial marriage “a form of adultery.”
“If God had desired that we intermarry and amalgamate and become one, why would he have begun the other races to begin with?” Weaver asked in one sermon in his gentle drawl.[/spoiler]
And to the OP, I think I’ve changed my mind. In my best case scenario, the biggest loser would be Joe Manchin. Not necessarily in the sense that he would actually lose his seat, but that the Democrats would pick up enough seats elsewhere to be able to toss his traitorous ass to the curb. He wants to put a probable rapist on the Supreme Court, let him go caucus with the pro-rape party.
McSally’s campaign ad quoted Sinema out of context. In 2010, while addressing Netroots Nation, Sinema quoted a one-liner made by Jon Stewart, then the host of The Daily Show.
