… like George W. Bush? He did two of those things for sure and the bailout may count as Socialism. 
Yeah, some Dems booed when Bush told a lie about social security, and Republicans once booed Clinton during a SOTU before that, but booing really is just dissent, and is not the same as heckling and namecalling. These lame attempts at tu quoques from the right are really getting tiresome.
I seem to have missed what you claimed you would do - “I’ll happily, and cheerfully, call him/her a douchebag and a national disgrace right along with Mr. Wilson”.
Stephe96 has given you exactly what you ask for, but you can’t seem to summon up nearly the same level of outrage until you are goaded into it.
See the trouble? Wilson is a douchebag and a national disgrace, even though he has apologized. The Dems who did the same thing get nothing like the same level of invective, even though they didn’t.
Funny, that.
Regards,
Shodan
So what - Democrats booed Bush and Republicans booed Clinton. While I don’t think any of it is right, it makes the case that Wilson likely doesn’t deserve censure.
The Dems didn’t do the same thing.
No. Someone insulted the President of the United States during his address to a Joint Session of Congress, contrary to the rules of his House and to civilized decorum.
Accusing Pres. Obama of lying, whether validly or not, ould have been just find when interviewed by Fox news later, in a stump speech to the Fathful down in Columbia, etc. Of course it would have been wrong in that Addison Wilson, not the President, was the liar, in this case, but he could have been criticized on the basis of the facts, for spreading misinformation, at that time. But my parents taught me to respct the Office of the President, even if you happened to dislike the man currently occupying it. It’s part of what makes a civil political system work. Apparently you missed that lesson when you were eight or nine, so it falls on me to explain it to you now. That is why I treated Mr. Bush with respect even when I condemned the criminal activity he and his cronies were engaged in during the past eight years. But if you feel that no respect is due the President acting officially, then may you live to regret the consequences of your action.
In any case, some of us belong to a religion that follows someone who said, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” You without sin, Shodan?
Oh, for Christ’s sake, you’re really being a pathetic pedant here. OK, fine:
The Democrats who booed George W. Bush’s State of the Union address were absolute assholes, contributing in exactly the same way to the corruption of the national discourse as Joe Wilson’s outburst. Like Wilson, they abandoned their responsibility to address the issues intelligently, respectfully, and carefully in order to serve their constituents effectively. I emphatically reject this sort of thing as legitimate or in fact anything short of disgraceful, no matter who is doing it.
Now are you done with gotcha games?
By the way, I think it’s awesome that you think you know my political stance.
I bet your fingers were crossed when you typed that.
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I apologize.
So, what you’re saying is, if this was a Republican President, and a Democrat heckled him during his speech, you’d be horribly outraged?
This is why I am necessary to the boards, and why I am not trolling. I am here to keep you people honest.
You wanted to pass this over, and pretend that Stephe96 did not have a point. You were, in other words, not honest in your debate, until you were forced into it.
And you accuse me of trolling.
Regards,
Shodan
This is nonsense. I didn’t want to pass it over. I responded, within seconds. I expressed exactly what I felt - they were wrong and they should have apologized. I didn’t use the same words as the last time because, you know, I just finished typing them and I thought context would make my feelings clear.
And Stephe did NOT have a point. That the Democrats did it once does not make it OK when the Republicans do it. I loathe this sort of politics, from either side, and defending one usage of it by bringing up another usage of it is not “making a point,” because it’s equally reprehensible no matter who’s doing it.
And again, I’m wildly curious: who are “you people?” To what group do I belong? You seem to know, so tell me: what is my political party?
So you mean he’s not actually retarded?
But seriously, Shodan, what is your point? Is Mr. Wilson not a douchebag until **storyteller **says the Dems behaved douchily for booing W? Or is that irrelevant, and you’re just here to mock people?
Part of **Stephe96’s **point was that the Democrats who booed George W. Bush’s State of the Union address were absolute assholes. So in light of **storyteller0910’s ** comment, which read, in part:
… I’m forced to offer the following query: What the fuck are you talking about?
Well, when you skip right over posts 162, 165 and 166 to make an irrelevant point, it makes one wonder.
You LIE!
Well, count me as one person who was on record – as I pointed out earlier, and you yourself commented on it – that respect for the law and for the Office of the Presidency prohibited such behavior in 2001. So what you’re saying is that I should have made sure that people realized that you were part of a criminal conspiracy to subvert the democratic process and hand the Oval Office over to the crook from Crawford? Because if we don’t respect the rule of law and decorum in public life, then that’s exactly what I should have done. Think about how many American boys’ blood has been spilled in Iraq in a war entered into on false pretenses. How many people hve been tortured. (Ask Scylla whether waterboarding is torture.) The broad from Regent University who was slipping her fellow theocracy advocates into positions of power in the Justice Department. You’re guilty of conspiracy to commit all those and other crimes – unless you think that there’s a time and a place for political debate, and a formal address by the President to Congress is not one of them.
Bricker gets this. He’s as opposed to the Obama health care plan as you are. But he knows there’s a time and place for everything, and that Addison Wilson was out of line – in fact, he was harsher than Speaker Pelosi about it. Try taking a keaf from his book on how to behave in civil society.
No. As demonstrated, it happened in 2005, and I made no objection.
The hypocrites are on the other side. It happens in 2005, and no one on the SDMB objects. It happens in 2008, the parties are reversed, and thus the libs flip-flop instantly.
Yes, you did. You expressed what you felt - not very much.
Wilson does it, and he is a douchebag and deserves censure and so on and so on. The Dems do the same, and there is a rather tepid mention that they should have aplogized, just as Wison did. Nothing more than that.
Like I said, the outrage is quite selective.
My point is exactly what I have stated repeatedly - when a Republican does it, it is a big deal. When Dems do it, it isn’t.
You people have the political depth of a teaspoon.
Although you are partially correct - I have no chance of convincing the people hereabouts who cannot grasp a concept beyond “Dem good, Republican bad”, with some exceptions, and so mostly have to derive amusement from laughing at what fools you make of yourselves.
For example -
How pathetic.
Regards,
Shodan