She did more than expose her employees to him. She exposed him to her employees. What if all that time being forced to be coworkers with people who he believed ought rightfully to be removed from existence finally made him SNAP, and go on a bomb-building-and-mailing rampage?
An employee shows up to work in a van covered in political propaganda. There are pictures of politicians he dislikes with cross hairs superimposed on their faces.
Buh-bye.
I’d fire him for the stickers he has on his van. It clearly shows he’s unbalanced (at least it does to me). And frankly, that van would offend about half of your customers that he delivers pizza to. Headless mannequins inside? Um, no, go terrorize someone else.
If I were a regular customer at this restaurant, I would now question the prudence in going there anymore. Sad to say, but her interviews reflect horribly on their management practices. If your standards are so low that you retain a fulminating bigot who advocates for your extermination to your face and makes you cry on the regular, how low are your standards for food hygiene? What other corners are you cutting in pursuit money? Do you actually have to see a mofo putting spit, ricin or ballsack sweat in people’s food before it occurs to you that they very well might do that if given the opportunity? Is George Zimmerman going to show up if I order from there?
The MAGA-Bomber was also sending threatening Tweets to Senator Flake following his call for a week delay on the Kavanaugh confirmation. Per Roll Call:
Why don’t you be a little more honest with yourself. Her zealous position on not making employment decisions based on politics has zero relation to her ability to maintain hygiene standards. How fucking ridiculous. Your “questioning the prudence” of going there is quite obviously based on the fact that you disagree with her.
The hygiene concern for me is that she said how filthy the inside of the pizza delivery van was, but it didn’t spur her into any action. And it’s weird to me that she was concerned enough about the outside of the van to make him park where customers wouldn’t see it. She didn’t think about how customers would react seeing that come to their actual homes.
She let the guy deliver pizzas in a van that she herself called filthy. I know this only because she told the whole world without nary a concern about how bad this makes her look.
If he was my employee, in a right to work state? YES. “I’m sorry, but this isn’t going to work out.”
if the pizzaplace owner had fired Cezar, what is more likely;
- that he would have seen the error of his ways, and gotten another job;
- or that he would have snapped earlier, and probably at his former boss, who’s also a lesbian and therefore a worthy target?
My money’s on door number 2.
in this economy how many people want a night time pizza delivery job? I assume they knew he had a criminal record but they hired him anyway.
If she was too afraid to fire the guy, she should just say so and stop acting like she was tied by some idealistic view of humanity.
Since she was not the restaurant owner, did she inform her boss that she was terrified of an employee? If I were her boss and I hadn’t been informed that there was a terrifying employee on my pay roll, I would be incredibly pissed. And if I had been informed and didn’t do anything, then I deserve to have my business forever associated with terrorism.
Debbie better hope her employer believes in second chances. She certainly isn’t doing him/her any favors by revealing all this information to the media.
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If you found out that this peaceful, polite white separatist lost his home after you fired him, and he and his children are now living on the street, would you feel the least bit bad?
We’re not talking about a peaceful, polite white separatist. We’re talking about a guy who tells his boss that he’s going to burn her and delivers pizzas in a van that says that he hates your customers. If I heard that he was now living on the street, I would hope that it would show him just how unacceptable his behavior is, and further hope that his children would come to the attention of Child Protective Services so they’d have at least a chance of a healthy, loving upbringing (granted, not a very good chance, but better than they’d have with this guy).
A coworker sexually harassed me at work several years ago. He was given another chance to redeem himself, but he did it again and he was fired.
He didn’t lose his home, but I still felt bad. Becauses we had been friends at one time and I am not a completely heartless bastard.
But his ass still deserved to be fired. His behavior was disruptive and disturbing. Keeping him around would have sent a horrible message to everyone, but especially me.
Negative consequences sometime trigger other consequences that snowball into something horrific. Pulling someone over for speeding could cause a person to show up to work late, which could cause them to lose their job, which could launch them into homelessness. So does that mean reckless drivers shouldn’t be pulled over? Of course not. It means that if your life can be ruined by driving recklessly, maybe you shouldn’t drive recklessly. If getting fired means you and your family will be homeless, maybe you need to act like you have some sense and keep your extremist views to yourself.
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Wait, are we talking about the"peaceful, polite white separatist" who mailed bombs to people, or some hypothetical “peaceful, polite white separatist” who really doesn’t belong in this conversation?
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I agree with iiandyiiii in the results, but not entirely the argument.
What you are describing is still wrong and evil. But if he keeps these ideas to himself, he isn’t really harming anyone, and there’s no need for action. His racism will die when he does.
But if he’s spreading these ideas, then he is actively causing harm and deserves punishment. Firing is definitely warranted.
People really need to get into their heads that racism is genuinely wrong. It is full on evil. Either you work to get rid of it, or you should face negative consequences.
Now I could get into if firing is actually enough of a punishment. But I’ll leave that for another thread. But I definitely support firing as a minimum of what should be done if you find out your employee is openly racist.
The current climate where we keep excusing racism and defend it as freedom of speech (in the moral sense) is exactly why we can’t cut off these racists before bad things happen. If we take it seriously and cut it off when its harm is just verbal, we might avoid the people who take it so far to be violent.
This is racism of the level that we’ve known is wrong for at least 40 years now. I’m done with pretending “oh, they just don’t know better” and “we just need to educate them.” No, consequences are necessary.
I would feel very badly for the children, but not because I did something wrong. I would feel badly for them perhaps in the same way that a police officer feels badly when innocent children have their families broken up because a parent decided it was a good idea to break the law. I doubt that police officers wish they had not put a dangerous person behind bars, even if they recognize the second-order effects.
Another bomb today in Atlanta?
Is there another person sending bombs in the mail?
Sure. I’d regret killing an assailant who was trying to kill me, too. But I’d still do it if that was what I thought needed to be done to secure my own safety, not to mention the safety of my family, friends and anyone else who depended on me.
ETA: Ravenman was far more eloquent than me.