Yep, it is looking worse than what I imagined.
Develop a good enough brain scan to identify the brain activity we experience as love. And at any rate, the standard of proof for a variant of something we know to exist - emotion - is much lower than the standard for a physics breaking entity we have zero evidence is even possible, much less real.
Even if true, that just means it’s woefully out of date. And plenty of stupid, evil beliefs ( and yes, I think Christianity is both very stupid, and very evil ) have spread far and wide, and plenty of people have died for them.
Yes. We have pictures, and can manipulate them one by one these days, you know. Not that being a “scientific fact” somehow makes something implausible; rather the opposite. As opposed to religion, which has a track record of being wrong so bad that religious claims can safely be dismissed out of hand. One of the prominent features of religion is that it’s always wrong.
More empty assertions.
You insult science, which is the closest I have. And I insult your heroes because they were fools and scum.
Garbage; you have no evidence at all.
No; science will never prove the existence of God for the same reason it’ll never prove the existence of Sauron; both are fictional. We non-believers don’t throw out evidence; we’ve never had any to throw out.
Now you are contradicting yourself; first you say you think that some people evolved, but YOU didn’t. Now you say everyone didn’t.
Of course it can, as can simple logic. When archaeology shows the events and things claimed in the Bible to be incorrect, or when contradictions are found - that’s disproof. Not that it really needs disproving; there’s no reason to take the Bible any more seriously than any other book of myths written by ignorant primitives.
And people have also believed in the inferiority of women, that the Sun orbited the Earth, in spontaneous generation, and in innumerable other errors. Your error is just one more.
We say that because we know you have no evidence whatsoever, beyond your unsupported word.
We don’t “refuse to believe”; we’ve never been given any reason to. It’s a rather amusing closed system you have there, by the way; the only ones who can see the “proof” are those who already believe. How very convenient.
Which is nothing. No, I’ll think I’ll go on blaming you.
So… space aliens killed Jesus?
Blame for what? I know there are horrible things that happen in the world today, but that was the result of what man has done.
I suppose you believe God should take the blame for global warming because EVERYONE knows that God created the first automobile factory.
We STARTED down the rabbit hole. If anything, the claim that the Vatican has evidence of intelligent alien life is far more plausible than his other claims. It doesn’t violate the laws of physics, or known scientific facts like God and creationism do. It’s just highly, highly unlikely, not impossible.
Are you a political statistician? Because you just made 96 percent sound like a really small number.
You seem to be walking in limbo in between evolution and creation, and not in the way you think you are. You’re using the 96% figure to prove that humans didn’t descend from apes and yet acknowledge some can. What if he was one of those that did evolve? Why would an independently created human have anywhere close to a 96% match? Also, why is it that we haven’t found any glorious master race humans that only share, say, 50% gene matches to the rest of the species? You’d think an entire subset, majority or minority, that descended from a completely different line would be somewhat hard to miss. Also, you say you’re directly descended form Adam and Eve, if these humans are otherwise indistinguishable how do you know you don’t have a little monkey in you? Maybe your mom is an Adamite and your dad is an Apekin.
You should look into Hox genes, they account for a lot of the differences as well as a lot of the similarities. Have you noticed nearly all creatures are bilateral, laid out head to tail, and have a strikingly similar basic nervous system? That’s because we’ve been recycling the same genes since we, as a species, were still worms, in fact even though it’s missing a lot of genes (arms, legs, etc) there are a lot of matching patterns that one can easily interpret as saying “head goes here, make it symmetrical, throw the nervous system down the middle of the back” etc. If you really want to be weirded out go get a picture of a mouse embryo, a fly embryo, an elephant embryo, and a human embryo and put them next to each other. For added fun throw them up in the air 52 pickup style and see if you can tell which is which afterwords.
I’m not an evolutionary biologist so I can’t speak for some things, but what I generally understand is all you really need is a basic blueprint for an arm and you can make a staggering amount of different arms just based on Hox genes, which basically just tell what to develop when and how much, if I understand it correctly you can also make similar things, like webbed feet instead of normal feet (or even an extra foot) without actually changing the actual foot gene (much, webbing probably needs a little), just the Hox gene that says what foot grows when, how much, how developed the muscles will be and so on. Your blueprint is surprisingly object oriented (to use a programming term), your genetic code doesn’t contain two arms, it contains code for a specific arm and a gene in a completely different place that says when to create two of said arm. You can change both of your arms by changing the arm gene, or screw up one or grow and extra one by changing the Hox gene related to arm development.
Where was that lecture on evolution going? Well, pretty much that 96% doesn’t account for much difference when you understand that most of the differences are basically akin to different instruction manuals with your Legos. We look a lot different than apes yet share the same basic model, and almost identical (if not completely) arm genes/hair genes etc. We essentially ARE the same creature, your Mom’s womb just threw you together in a different order with different priorities on appendage development accounting for the lack of hair, smaller arms, etc. So either God was using an SDK or we have some shared lineage.
If you want more information on Hox genes see if you can catch National Geographic’s How to Build a Better Being. It does a pretty good job of explaining Hox genes (aka “Toolkit genes”) in layman terms, it’s actually where I got a lot of this information for this post. If you don’t accept the possibility that we can be descended from worms it may be a little difficult to swallow, but pay attention to the diagrams and pictures and you may see some fairly convincing similarities that may put it in perspective.
To those who understand Evo Devo: I’m not sure if I got all that right and I rambled a bit, so please correct me if I’m wrong on anything, I’ve always found it interesting but as I’ve never had any formal instruction on the matter I’m a little fuzzy on some things, so apologies for any inaccuracies.
If god did exist, which he doesn’t, it would of course be his fault. He (supposedly) made the laws of physics and created the fuel that would dump carbon into the atmosphere. By definition all suffering is his fault because he (supposedly) created the capacity for suffering.
Never mind the fact that you’re arguing about the attributes of an imaginary character. Asking if the easter bunny can lay eggs is valid as questioning the details of the Christian god.
I’m not so pissed about the bad things that happen to good people; shit happens. What I find blameworthy is why do good things happen to bad people? Why does god frequently bless those who reject his commandments? I would think that those who reject god would find themselves in a world of hurt in this world, yet that is not the case. They frequently have the easiest life, and the most outward blessings. So what is up with that?
In the First Year of Our Ford.
Lacunas Quell seems to have a different take on that.
He killed Kenny too!!!1111oneoneone
Again, I’m not challenging your authority, simply defending myself.
If the people I was referring to believe they are evolved from a type of ape, and simian means “of or pertaining to apes”, and these people believe they are “of” ape, why should what I said be considered an insult?
I will gladly show you verse by verse why I believe that evolution and creation can co-exist, and explain to you my theory of how all of humankind can have both ape-like ancestors AND two first parents and why there is a missing-link
It does not assume some humans are better than others. Adam and Eve were the first humans and from them came all other humans. I’m not saying that you can trace someone’s lineage directly back to an ape and the lineage of someone else back to Adam and Eve.
Historical and credible documentation of intelligent extraterrestrial life.
I have not. I have read that people who do research on E.T.s have requested access to the Vatican secret archives to investigate into the subject and were denied.
Now you’re probably thinking “Well that’s an absurd request and no wonder they were denied”, but really it’s not an absurd request at all. If the Vatican knew there was nothing of interest on the subject contained in their secret archives, why would they deny anyone access to investigate? Just because the Vatican knows that there is nothing on the subject so they don’t want someone to waste their time investigating? That seems too noble of an act of kindness and consideration even for someone claiming to be a Christian.
Shrug. I generally consider myself to be reasonable literate and moderately well read, but I have no idea just what you are claiming or defending. It’s just a gigantic wall of unorganized text with no point to it.
This is a message board. We depend on the text, its content, and how it is written and presented. I am sorry, but your first post and several afterwards are simply impossible to read. Too often, the less a person has to say, the more words he needs to not say it.
Because they’re the Vatican, not a public library ? How often do they allow outsiders access at all ?
This kind of logic, for lack of a better term, is found in almost every conspiracy theory known to man. I doubt you’ll care, but there it is.
The main problem here is that you in one breath say there’s a “missing link” and in another breath say it’s entirely possible SOME humans evolved from apes. You can say both exist, but it seems more like the Middle Ground fallacy rather than an actual belief of yours. Why bother to bring the genetic disparity and the missing link business into it at all if there’s a line that’s descended from apes? Wouldn’t that contradict your OWN claims that there are both those who evolved and those who are created? After all, if there’s a missing link and shoddy genetics that’s fairly good evidence (in your logic) that we didn’t evolve from apes… yet we did… well some of us… but there’s a missing link so we didn’t… or did we? Kind of, maybe.
Tomndebb, with respect, I think we’re all getting a little sensitive here including the mods. It’s obviously your ruling in the end, but as part of the “side” being “attacked” I didn’t see much of an insult in that post, he’s clearly established he believes there are some humans evolved from monkeys. And while what he wrote may be a tad ARROGANT (assuming the Bible is the perfect resource for instance) he was using simian in a mainly descriptive context. The worst he’s said about the “simian” line is we’re “stubborn” so far so I don’t think that post was meant in an insulting fashion. I saw it more akin to telling a political adversary they’re reading bias into an article, which as far as I know hasn’t been outlawed here.
Again, your decision, just offering an alternative interpretation since I think we may be getting a little sensitive on both sides and reading ill intent where there is none (or little) and don’t want any accidental blowups.
Speaking of the sons of Noah, I have to ask for a cite that they had different skin color.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/neanderthals/mtdna.html
Too far IMHO from the places that traditionally are pointed as the place were Adam and Eve moved about.
Speaking of Africa, many bible men put the date of the Flood of Noah’s between 2500 BC and 2300 BC.
Right in the middle of the Fifth dynasty of Egypt, Egyptians perversely ignored the flood.
According to their website, in the 2004-2005 academic year (the most recent year they give figures for), they allowed in “1142 researchers of 49 nationalities (and 1 stateless)”.
As their website says “The Archives are open to qualified Researchers from institutions of Higher Education pursuing scientific researches and who have an adequate knowledge of archival research.”, but I get the impression that that means more “academic at an accredited university” and less “guy trying to prove UFOs exist”.