Easy answer. The Sanhedrin killed Jesus.
The Jewish government failed the test, and couldn’t recognize divinity.
The government didn’t last too long, after that.
No, the Romans did. Thus the crucifixion - a ROMAN punishment.
Since there’s no such thing as divinity, and he didn’t match the prophecies anyway, that’s understandable.
Considering that Jesus got himself crucified, there’s no reason to think that allying with him would have made the government last longer.
Kanicbird
Earth + Wind + Fire= a band.
And it’s spelled nephilim and pronounced nuh-FEEL-eem. I hear a lot of NEFF-uh-lum but that’s just wrong.
The word appears once in all of the OT. “The nephilim were in the earth in those days”. I have no idea how often, if at all it appears in the NT. OTTOMH it doesn’t appear once in any canon books but only in apocrypha such as the Book Of Enoch.
Hey, that offends me! We have landed on the moon!
Just because I believe in conspiracies doesn’t mean I believe all conspiracies. I’m just going to mention the E.T. one because the others are too dangerous to talk about. God is the creator of ALL things… even Extraterrestrial life. However, at this current time in our mental and spiritual evolution, it’s better that we don’t worry about if they exist or not.
It’s certainly not a question of possibility, probability, fact or truth if conspiracies exist. We all know the truth. What we don’t know are the lies. Conspirators tell lies that distort the truth, not hide it… that way they can make sure the truth is never known. It doesn’t really matter what anyone believes about a conspiracy, because it’s all a lie and it’s all the truth. Life goes on… let’s just try to stay out of other people’s business when they don’t want us to know about it.
Actually, the factual, historical answer is that crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, illegal under Jewish law (and for the sanhedrin to sanction), and the Romans only did it to slaves and to people convicted of crimes against the state. In Judea, specifically, it was used by the Romans only against local insurgents (who were basically perceived as terrorists). The Romans did not crucify people for religious reasons, and didn’t give a rat’s ass what the Sanhedrin wanted. The high priests at that time danced to Pilate’s tune, he didn’t dance to theirs.
Moreover, the trial of Jesus, as described by Mark, then copied from Mark by Matthew and Luke, is riddled with so many factual and procedural inaccuracies (including a conviction for something that was not illegal under Jewish law), that it can’t be historical. Jesus’ trial before the Sanhedrin is a Markan, apologetic fiction designed to shift blame away from the Romans and onto Jewish authority.
Bottom line – if Jesus was crucified, it was because the Romans wanted him crucified, not the Temple priets, and if the Romans wanted him crucified, it was because the saw him as a political threat or public menace, not for any religious reasons.
The most likely reason Jesus was crucified was for causing a disturbance at the Temple during Passover. This was a very tense time of year for the Romans, who feared riots in the overcrowded city, and who dealt summarily and ruthlessly with anyone who looked like they might be stirring up shit. That’s not to necessarily say the Temple authorities didn’t help to facilitate his arrest, they may well have done so. They would have been doing it for the most pragmatic of reasons, though. They didn’t want riots either, and somebody staging a violent protest in the Temple courtyards was unsettling to everybody. There was nothing religious about it. They would have seen it as getting rid of a potentially dangerous nutcase, not as anything with any theological significance.
How and why are they too dangerous to talk about?
Ah, but unlike the rest of us, superior being that you are, YOU know these deep dark secrets that will get you killed if you speak of them. By ninjas, probably. Or maybe alien shapechangers.
You DO know that X Files wasn’t a documentary series ?
I am nitpicking here a little bit, but both the Hasmoneans and Herodians also crucified…not that either group was scrupulous about their obedience to Jewish law.
God is.
God didn’t kill anyone. God doesn’t interfere with nature. IT’S NATURE! It’s natural. If God interfered with nature it wouldn’t be natural. The tsunami was cause by an earthquake which was caused by the natural shifting of tectonic plates. How is that God’s fault? The Earth is like a billion year old house. It’s going to creak a little.
“For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs…”.–Romans 8:22
All throughout history it was normal for people to hold their god responsible for a natural destruction. They never blamed their god. They believed it was a punishment for something they did wrong.
The nephilum are said to be mighty men, which King David had some ‘might men’ in his service, and there is some indication, but not a lot, that King David was also a Nephilum. I also believe Paul was also a nephilum, as well as many others even today, people who just command authority.
First, again it’s spelled with an I just like cherubim, seraphim, adephim, etc.
Second, there has been speculation that other folks in the bible are nephilim for a few thousand years. Having giant stature, Goliath is often accused of being nephilim. BUT the word nephilim appears in the OT just once.
If I have the power to prevent someone from being killed, but instead I stand idly by and do nothing, am I not responsible for his death?
Well then, who created god? Or is it turtles all the way down?
The NT does not mention nephilim, but does mention demons/devils in human bodies, living as people, Judas being the one most directly mentioned, the pharisees also as sons of the devil. Their children with humans should be nephilim.
The prophetess Jezebel in Revelation 2 is also taken often as a demon who has children, though that would be a female demon, and possibly male human instead of male demon female human.
Last time I checked the word nephilim was generally held to apply only to the children of the Grigori (Watchers) and humans. The child of an already fallen angel and a human would be something else.
I don’t care if you don’t believe that I have read that because I have. I’m not imagining I read something that I didn’t. I know I read it. Do you really want me to weed through the internet looking for that source just to read “…was denied access to the Vatican archives for UFO research”? I also never claimed God told me so.
Then why aren’t you worried about getting into the Vatican archives to expose Christians as the loonies they are?
If you truly believe what you said, then you must believe in some sort of grand conspiracy where the powers that be control the masses through deception. If there were such material in the VSA then don’t you think someone would have exposed it by now? The Vatican Library is over 500 years old (the secret archive was established in the early 17th century).
Things that have a purpose have a creator, God has no purpose, unlike you and me, he just is, therefore he doesn’t not need a creator.
I won’t list what’s wrong with that statement, but I’m pretty sure that’s the party line right now, right kanic/Lacun? (That’s not mockery, I’m legitimately just throwing that out there for them because it’s what I usually here)
why would I be worried about that?
Why would I believe that?
You imagination is running away with you again.
While I believe the nephilim exist today and not limited to the Grigori.
Very possible if the angel is fallen it would not be a nephilim, but a redeemed such creature would be a nephilim. As God would then be their father, not Satan. I have heard the term cambian for a demon/human creature, which again would be from my post before fire+earth+wind, while a nephilim would then be fire+earth+wind+water.
Yeah, but if you put Jesus ahead of Zeus, Zeus will get angry and send you to hell. But if you put Zeus first, Odin will get angry. And if you put Odin first, Quetzalcoatl gets pissed off. How do you know which one to worship?
And why should I consider your Bible any more of an authority than the Iliad, Gilgamesh, the Bhagavad Gita, or even The Lord of the Rings, or Harry Potter for that matter?