Who Killed Jesus?

KanicbirdJewish folklore (again going back a few milennia) features beings who are half human/half demon. For example, Lilith has sex with sleeping men to steal their seed and produce Lilim- chicks with fangs and hairy legs. OTTOMH I don’t know of any creatures in Jewish folklore that are demonic but pass for humans. Dybbuks (holy crap! Firefox spellchecker knows that word!) can posses humans but they are ex-humans themselves and generally want vengeance and attention rather obviously.

BTW I can’t recall the title but the X Files did an episode on Nephilim. A Nephilim is also featured in the films The Prophecy 2 and 3.

“Faith is the substance of things hoped for…”–Hebrews 11:1

Why is it insane that I hope for eternal life? How is that a crippling defect?

Isn’t some sort of faith required for Science? If faith is the substance of things hoped for, and some scientists hope to make a discovery, wouldn’t that mean that some scientists have faith? I think it’s pretty safe to say that faith was involved in some of the most important scientific discoveries.

Faith is entirely unneeded for science, in fact faith gets in the WAY of science because it creates stubborn adherence to old rules. If we had “faith” in Newtonian Mechanics we wouldn’t have General Relativity right now. Now that’s not to say scientists don’t have some faith, but they’re just librarians, their faith may affect their own independent observations, but we rely on those that have faith in something else or the mythical “totally objective person” to call them on it and refine what we catalogue (is that spelled wrong? I swore it had a “ue” at the end but FF is freaking out). Science, as a collective, requires no faith because anyone with a good idea and some doubt can go in and challenge it, now that doesn’t mean their assertions are true by any stretch of the imagination, but science is pretty much just a library with ever more accurate books because we constantly redefine and expand on ideas when the observations don’t match the numbers.

Just to point out - that’s not true.

For one thing, it was redacted and earlier versions were destroyed so we don’t know what they said. And, in any case, the oldest quran we have was found in Yemen and it shows differences to the current quran.

From this page:

(my bolds)

In that Atlantic Monthly article, he suggests that some of the differences are important enough to actually change the meaning of some suras. Why did they scrape off the earlier versions if they said the same thing?

No. Faith is belief without evidence. It’s actually pretty much the antithesis of science.

Yes… unless you try to help and your help is refused.

sigh why do people ask this question?

God IS. He told Moses at the burning bush “I AM”. He has always been, He always is, and He always will be. God is never changing. If God was created He would have had to been created from something. If God was created from something than something else would have to had been changed. If God is never changing, but has been the same for all eternity, He just IS and wasn’t created.

If matter can neither be created or destroyed, where did matter come from?

So in the case of the tsunami, God asked each person who died if they wanted His help and they all refused? So He went ahead and let them die?

That seems kind of petty on his part. If I saw someone in danger, I would help them if they wanted me to or not. I’d figure if they were refusing my help, it’s probably because they probably didn’t really understand the danger they were in.

The God you worship doesn’t seem very nice or very merciful.

Christian demonology has incubi and succubi but these are usually referred to as spiritual beings/

Demonic possession is different then a demon in the flesh. Using the light of the NT to look at the OT it appears that Queen Jezebel is one such demon in the flesh, and who has come back at least 2 times. I am familiar with the concept of Dybbuks if I understand you, but didn’t know that term, a spiritual human which switched places with a embodied human, usually as the human with the body has a NDE, gets out of the body and the other one jumps in. The motivation is sometimes to finish some work, usually motivated by revenge.

It’s not. However, hope and faith are distinct concepts (as is charity). One can hope for a desired outcome, while faith means one assumes the desired outcome will happen despite a lack of evidence and perhaps even in the face of counter-evidence.

No, and again you’re confusing hope and faith.

If he’s always the same, how does he DO anything? Doing requires action and action requires change. If God is really unchanging then he also is incapable of interacting with the world.

Because you’re willing to trade rationality for the impossible hope that the particular child’s story you’ve chosen to believe is true. It’s controlling your actions even now, making you deny evolution and act out in igorance.

Science isn’t about faith. Science is about things that are rational and reproducible and have evidence. Faith in the religious sense is about hoping really really really hard that the tooth fairy is real. There is no evidence that your religion is real. None. You want there to be, but stamping your feel and sobbing does not make lies true.

We don’t know. Oh, sure we have structures that show potentials for how energy became matter and how matter got mass after the Big Bang. The usual question then is “well, where did the explodey thing come from?” The answer to which is “we have no idea.” Science doesn’t really even have a (credible) model for that, or pre-Big Bang (or anything before the Planck Time, for that matter). I suppose you’ll use this as ammo for “see? See!? Science doesn’t know everything but the Bible does!” But it really just highlights the lack of faith science needs and the fact that’s its main function truly is observational, rather than explanatory which is what we’ve been saying all along.

Hey, we’re honest about it.

Because it’s a perfectly valid question which just begs to be asked?

God is God of all things making Him God of gods and His son Jesus has the keys of Hell. What authority do Zeus, Odin or Quetzalcoatl have over my eternal soul?

“Choose you this day whom ye will serve… but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord”–Joshua 24:15

No. You read about it in a modern copy of an ancient book. Why do you think it’s true?

You opinions are based on a poorly written, internally inconsistent book written by stinking primitives. Why do you, a man of the 21st century believe their stories to describe the world are real? Do you only wear hand made sandals and clothing? Do you travel only on the back of a donkey? Do you use an oil lamp to light your home?

Christianity was an attempt to answer social and scientific questions in an age before science. It is wrong. Like leeches, bleeding and sending women to menstrual huts, it is the twisted thinking of those too primitive to come up with better solutions.

Your devotion to it is laughable and not something to be proud of.

Objection.

The Ditullio’s have the key to hell. I made it in a dark ritual based on a design in the Sandman. I forgot to ventilate the area properly and received minor chemical burns on my windpipe and lungs.

None. They are exactly as real as the psychotic retread Babylonian storm god you’re pretending is real.

Jezebel was the daughter of Ithobaal, king of Tyre.

Biological parents don’t preclude Jezebel being a demon.