What you’re seeing is nonsense, which is what any discussion of who killed Jesus or any other “facts” of religious history amounts to. They should in no way be accorded the legitimacy of a serious discussion worthy of ten pages. Here’s some more nonsense:
Cool. i wish i could be related to Colin Farrel as there are Farrels in our family history. Soon the world is mine. When my dad talks about irish history i am a number of times. we buy cheese, fresh basil & bread. When i last went to the Doctor and now am on more lovely pills for my hat. i have another beer and head home to continue to smile and hum. i didn’t ask my father cooked me two perfect poached eggs. The man has a talent with eggs. I ate them with a terrible thirst for sweeeet boose to find dear Papa and she said how are you doing and i felt tense (nay, way passed tense -haha pun) and not good; my heart spazzing out and almost crying because it’s not a huge supermarket. In the car at traffic lights my father’s car, of a time three summers ago when i retell this story i’ll have him say "the kind of feckkar that you don’t remember it’s perhaps time to locate the tonic and my father this. i selected a film i thought my parent’s would get sausage shaped packages, posters etc. with turkey written on.
Not really. The further back in time you go, the rarer it is to have actual written documents from that time. All old written documents tell you something about the time they were written. So old religious documents are still valid historical records - they may contain details of some factual events even if they’re mixed up with mythical stuff.
You can’t dismiss something as old as the old testament because once you dismiss that, we don’t have a lot else that’s that old. Maybe Gilgamesh, but that’s mythical too.
Once you start talking about simians, DNA, and Adam and Eve, it no longer has any relevance to any historical perspective that any religious holy book might provide. Some might say this thread has drifted off topic, but it never had a topic to begin with. From square one, it was a (very poorly argued) attempt to sell us on a superstition. So don’t pour moose piss down my throat and tell me it’s champagne. The OP is a false prophet and his god is a superstition.
I don’t very much appreciate you trying to high jack my thread… especially with complete gibberish. I don’t care if you argue with what I say or call it gibberish, but at least it’s coherent and not just random words strung together… your posts used to make sense… and I didn’t mind answering them… but now your posts are just manure. If you are going to participate please don’t type gibberish.
The point of this thread was to debate anything that was brought up, argue, and to give those who wanted to witness a chance to do so (I’m not concerned with anything specific and my first post was completely on topic… minus the personal details). I believe that you have noticed I am making sense at times and I am at least a little intelligent, and why it bothers you so much that I believe in and take a stand for Christ is beyond me. It’s seems pretty immature of you (not trying to"flame") to type and act this way. Any time I have used the Bible it was in context with the Bible and with whatever may have been being discussed at the time.
As for my own imaginations, I have admitted there is no proof and that I don’t claim them as truth. No one at anytime has forced you to come into this thread and read anything I have or anyone else has posted. You’ve done so out of your own volition… and if you really believe the things I type are absolute gibberish then you have wasted your own time. Please don’t blame me and please don’t insult what little intelligence I display.
All I want is to live my life the way I choose and believe how I choose to believe. Since when is that such a crime to humanity? I don’t insult you, your intelligence, or your beliefs. I’m not demanding or expecting it… but could I get a little respect, please? Insults, mockery, ridicule, spite, and hatefulness can and in most cases should be considered ignorance. I thought all of you were about fighting ignorance… and if you can prove anything I say is false… by all means… be my guest… but please, for the sake of this website’s motto, don’t fight my “ignorance” with your “ignorant gibberish”. If I’m doing a good enough job at displaying ignorance I don’t believe you need to point it out and rub my face in it.
Thank you.
(Let it be noted I mean no harm or insult with this post. I’m simply defending myself. I believe Argent Towers is very intelligent… I just wish s/he wouldn’t resort to posting the way s/he has been.)
We don’t have to respect what a person believes, and we also don’t have to respect that a person believes or imaginses something. We’re actually being gentle with you, you should see how we tear into each other at times. You’re getting off easy. You could (just an example) come here claiming that Cthulhu has awakened from his sleep beneath the waves and is coming to devour us, complete with quotes from the Mad prophet. It would make for a good laugh, but that’s all it would be, whether you really believed it or not.
Now to the “type of Christian who will judge and condemn because you don’t believe. I am not intending harm on anyone. I will speak of God and the great things He has done, but if you don’t want to believe that is your choice”, look around. See what the “self proclaimed holy guys and preachers” have been up to. Just turn on the radio or television. They deal in hate. They spew venom. Falwell said new York deserved to be blown up on 9/11 and Robertson nodded his head and agreed. New Orleans deserved to be smashed by a hurricane. The tsunami that killed how man thousands of people was “God’s justice”. Dominionists and far right wingnuts want a “christian state”. A bunch of hateful scumbags who feed on hate and fear to line their own pockets. Are they also talking the words of God? Anyone can name drop “God” for their own purposes. Anyone can say “God tlod me blah blah blah”. So, when I hear someone start yelling “christian” and thumping on his bible, and invoking God, I know the hatemongering is coming. Why? Past history “trend analysis”, repetition.
I will believe in what I choose to believe in. It may surprise you, but I am not an atheist. But, I have “problems” when people who do NOT understand what the Bible said, or twist it around for their purposes try to tell me anything. I’ve read it. Many times. I know what’s in there. We have people on this board who know it even better. They could argue the Old Testament, the New Testament, all the way from Genesis to Paul.
The real christians are the quiet ones, the ones who live their lives and allow others to do the same, the ones who teach by example, the ones who do “good works” without fanfair or reward. The ones who bang the drum and judge and preach made up mumbo jumbo and stage their little personal “revival meetin’s” and witnessin’ are bullshit.
They hired Loki. He’s alwasy been good at that sort of thing. Balder was just a little practice run. When you want it done right, with no loose ends, Loki is the Go To Guy
It is not Loki’s fault that Jesus resurrected. He was hired to put the carpenter in the ground, and that’s what he did. He’s not in charge of security in the afterlife. Blaming him for Easter is like blaming the armored car guys for a bank robbery that occurred after they delivered the money and left.
Actually, from what I understand, rubbing a dog’s nose in the mess only does the opposite: it teaches the dog that THAT place is where the dog is supposed to go.
Oh please, don’t take it easy on me, baby. I like it rough. Make me feel special like you do to all the other Bible-thumpers. Am I not sexy enough for you? Or is this post just filled with empty threats.
I challenge you, or anyone, who has read the Bible “many times” and “knows what’s in there”. I haven’t seen any of you who make this claim refute the scripture I quote with scripture. Wait… I said “God doesn’t command us to be perfect” and someone quoted “Be perfect, because your God is perfect”… but it should say “Be holy, because your God is Holy”.
So come on, prove the Bible wrong with it’s own content. I really want to see if you know the Bible as well as you claim… 'cause I don’t know all the answers in the Bible… but I will find them.
So… you up for it? After school at the flagpole OK with you?
Compare the geneology of Christ Jesus from Matthew with that in Luke. They cannot be reconciled.
I’m sure that you will say that one recounts Jesus’ ancestry on Mary’s side, the other’s on Joseph’s. Please explain which one is which, and why.
While you care looking at these geneologies, please examine the claim in Matthew that the generations from Abraham to David were 14 in number, that the generations from David to the exile were 14 in number, and that the generations from the Exile to Christ was 14. Copy the list down and count for your ownself. If you paid attention in kindergarten, you will notice a discrepency.
While you’re in the New Testament, examine the four Passion narratives. This is the most important story of the mythology, no? Why is it that each one contradicts the others? Examine the resurrection narratives while you’re at it.
Those are off the top of my head. I haven’t a Bible nearby, but if you wish I will look at one of mine later and find some more internal contradictions. But first I’d like to see your responses to the ones I just mentioned.
Piffle.
Neither the word 'agios**/'[symbol]agio[/symbol]s nor any other synonym for holy even appears in that passage. The words used are teleioi/[symbol]teleioi[/symbol] when referring to his audience and teleios/**[symbol]teleio[/symbol]s when referring to the Father. It refers to the end of something, (analogous to the perfect tense of a verb), taking the meaning perfect from the concept of whloeness and completion. Teleology comes from the same root.
Now, I think that many of the rejoinders to your claims are silly–primarily because I find your claims silly and attempts to duel with you at your own level simply drag the entire discussion into silliness, however, you are not going to win any batttles, here, by arbitrarily mistranslating words from the Gospels.
