DT, why are you posting this as AFAIK you believe in God, zombies or vampires don’t exist at all? What is the basis of your knowledge on these subjects?
Sounds like He’s eligible for TARP funds.
I have just as much evidence for Jesus being a vampire as you do for your beliefs.
People make shit up, dude. The more they believe in something, the more shit they feel they must make up. It’s a very human quality, and it’s totally unrelated to “truth”.
Originally Posted by Lacunas Quell
if you had read my post i believe you would have noticed that i made it perfectly clear the only reason i am typing said post is for my own personal satisfaction. this was not typed for you
I encourage debate and I receive personal satisfaction in typing to be a witness. I am not typing this so others can receive satisfaction from my work. If I am going out of my way to answer the reply posts, even the pointless one, I must be attempting to witness for the great Truth in which i believe, and therefore have every right to post.
Originally Posted by Lacunas Quell
i iF i WanTeD to TYpE lIkE ThiS i WouLD Do Ii AlL tHe tiMe aND tHeRE IS nOThIng YoU cOUlD dO ABoUt iT.
I believe without doubt that you could, although I don’t believe you would have a reasonable cause unless I really did type like that all the time… because it is annoying and I realize that. I was simply proving the point that how I type is my choice, and it’s unfair to judge my character and personality because I choose type differently. It’s almost like never picking the short fat kid to play kickball… sure he’s fat, probably can’t run fast… but that fat li’l’ f’ck’r can kick the shizznit out of the ball, but because no one ever gave him a chance, no one will get to know what a great kickball player he is. That analogy was in NO way meant to hurt or harm anyone who is overweight or who may suffer with a weight problem… simply stating the point that just because someone is different doesn’t make them any less of a person.
I really hope you don’t ban me or mute me or what have you. I do, however, have a HUGE favor to ask. Can you change my user name for me? I forgot that Lacunas is not the plural form of Lacuna, and I would greatly appreciate if you could change the ‘s’ in Lacunas to an ‘e’ to make it Lacunae. When you have time, or feel like it… or… think about it… but please? It’s really bugging me. I would just create another account but I do remember reading that wasn’t recommended and to ask a mod for help with changing a user name.
Originally Posted by Lacunas Quell
wtf dude? seriously…?
i think you have this thread confused with another one. this is not the petty argument thread. i put up with petty arguments a lot in my ex-forums… it got old fast. sure i had a few good laughs at the people trying to make me feel stupid… but i know i’m not stupid. i’m very learned. i was learned well in skool. huked on fonicks werked 4 me!
i’m not an idiot and i don’t appreciate you insinuating that i am one.
It was never my intention to start this thread for petty arguing. The title is not “The petty argument thread–please pick on me and allow me to defend myself”. When people insult my intelligence I believe I have a right to digress from the topic and defend myself. I do not find my style of typing irritating. It is meant to be taken lightheartedly and without any hard feelings. I do, however, get irritated and will intentionally type in an irritating manner if I feel mocked. That’s just the way I react towards things, but I do my absolute best not to insult or say anything hateful or hurtful. I have no intention or desire to hurt anyone’s feelings. My grand thesis is my first post. Please take note of the first reply and how I responded and how that person replied to my response. The first post was meant to be discouraging, and strongly implied that absolutely no one would be interested in this thread. Not only was this person wrong, because some people have shown an interest in this post, but this person was not attempting, in anyway, to discuss my post any further. This is why I stated that I type for my own satisfaction, because I know not everyone will appreciate or participate in further discussion. Therefore this thread is not for those who want to pick on me, or start petty arguments (which I find an insatiable need to get involved with because this thread is sort of kind of like my turf, and I don’t appreciate being disrespected on my turf… I haven’t even been to any other threads because I’ve been so involved in this one, and when I do get a chance to participate in another thread it will not be to start petty argument about someone’s choice of topic or the way they type), but this thread is for those who are interested in religious banter and as an opportunity for me to do as I’ve been commanded by God and to " …Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature".
Originally Posted by Lacunas Quell
I have every right to post in this forum. That is why this forum is here. If you don’t want to read my posts, please, don’t even click on a thread that I have created. No one is forcing you to come in here. DO NOT tell me what I can, cannot, will or will not do.
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By the way… this will be the only post where I use proper capitalization. If it bothers you SO much, then please feel free to f’ck off.
I understand the forum rules, and I respect the rules. In my defense, and I’m not trying to be an @$$ or jerk about this… but… I did not directly tell this person to f’ck off. I implied that if they are so bothered by me, then they have every God giving free-will right to f’ck off. I did not tell this person to f’ck off. If this person desired to f’ck off, it wouldn’t bother me, and I would not try to refrain them from f’ckin’ off because they made the decision to “f’ck off”, not because I said they had to or because I demanded it. In no way was I demanding or implying that I wanted this person to f’ck off, nor was I encouraging them to do so. Simply stating that they have my permission not to feel obligated to continue to post off topic in the thread i created, and it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they wanted to “f’ck off”.
One other thing, and like I said, I’m not trying be an @$$ or challenge authority in anyway, I am simply trying to make my intentions and thought processes understood. I didn’t necessarily tell anyone to “fuck” off. f’ck could be several other words besides “fuck”… i.e. Flock, Flick, Fleck, Frick, and/or Flack. I don’t believe it would have been considered a direct attack if i told him to flack off. I would then be telling the person to whom I said “Flack off” to, that they are free to publicize or promote off whatever they so please. So in that case, I was asking this person to stay and publicize or promote their ideas freely. I have no desire whatsoever to attack a person directly… not even in the BBQ pit.
However, if you still feel I was directly attacking this person, I am sorry, and I will be more careful with my wording.
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I was not playing any game, at any time. Games are for fun. It was not fun defending myself against people who attacked me and my intelligence AND then have the nerve to report (just an assumption that I was reported by someone) me for defending myself. I don’t want to report anyone for anything and while I strongly believe I had every right to report a couple people, I did not, because I don’t want people to get in trouble for something so, so, so, SO, SO SO SO, futile.
thank you for moderating… and please try to remember to fix my name when you can, or at least give me the info on what to do to get it changed to Lacunae. I’m still a newb here, and this is a much different setup than the last forums I posted in.
Originally Posted by Lacunas Quell
If it bothers you SO much, then please feel free to f’ck off.
I would gladly demonstrate my ability to hold intelligent discussion with those who give me the chance. If the person whom I said that to was attempting to have an intelligent conversation with me, I know, without doubt, that I would NOT have said that to this person.
p.s. I am not trying to tell this person that. I am simply providing what I said in an earlier post for documentation and to lessen the chance of someone being all like “WTF!?” with confusion… much like I am about said Kanicbird.
One of those bits had it that we killed him because he didn’t want to be a doctor. It happened in the basement, during a party.
The inspiration for my bit, but Bruce didn’t do Unleavenedworth.
The proof of that statement is (as I said) in the posts on this messageboard.
Interestingly my statement says nothing about your intellectual prowess, yet you obviously think it does.
So you need to work on your comprehension.
Who are these MANY people? 
Fundamentalists believe God created man about 6000 years ago.
Scientists have proof that man and apes share a common ancestor.
Perhaps you should look at the genes, rather than the facial resemblance.
Because they share a common ancestor.
Sheesh - where did you get the idea that man was descended from apes?
Why do you think that sharing a genus means one is descended from the other?
Buffy the Deity Slayer. I’d watch that.
LQ- contact tubadiva if you want to get your name changed.
When do you intend to start? This is a two page thread already, and we haven’t seen any sign of anything even distantly related to intelligent discussion.
Besides, before we can have an intelligent discussion about any of this, we have to agree what rules are in play. If we don’t agree the rules, it’s like two guys with a deck of cards, and one thinks the game is blackjack while the other thinks it is poker… not going to be much of a game, is it?
So, first of all, are we to base the discussion using valid logical reasoning and arguments based on empirical, independently verifiable evidence?
If not, what other rules do you suggest we base the discussion on?
If so, then it is self-evidently the case that there is no significance to your question unless Jesus was the son of an entity called God. This too is evidently a moot point unless there is an entity called God. So, first things first, please present your evidence or reasoning supporting the contention that there is an entity called God who/which has the characteristics that you ascribe to him or to it.
After all, if you want to have an intelligent discussion, we have to deal with first things first.
Lucanus, one great thing about this debate forum is we don’t care about your life story, we only care about your debate. Yes, I think you’re witnessing, not a problem, but what’s to debate?
Try this one on for size: Jesus never existed. He is a myth. The bible, Qur’an and Mormon book of fantasy is exactly that, fantasy, maybe mixed with a little hint on what fellow man has in store for politics.
First I need you to prove to me he actually existed WITHOUT quoting from the foolish examples you have deemed “the word of god.” Even if you can, please explain why this god sent his only son to be not just murdered, but destroyed through methods we’ve only seen since the “Saw” movies. Couldn’t this god have just changed the rules?
“Fuck original sin!”, says god, and we all live happily ever after.
Or, even if he DID exist, couldn’t he have learned to read? I DO know history shows us
(not tells us, but SHOWS us) that there were plenty of signs on walls telling sun-bleached idiots, like your Jesus, that speaking of other gods will lead to their own death. This one fact tells me Jesus was a large and uneducated idiot. Why should I follow one of the dumbest men-- or creations of god-- as an example?
One thing that led me to investigate and believe that god is a crock of shit is exactly what you are going through right now. You were told the answers are all in here-- the bible-- yet, you found none. Congratulations. This is a good thing. So, you start asking and investigating other religious folk and get the same nonsense. You watch the news, see the violence… if you keep investigating, you’ll eventually find salvation…
… when you throw the fucking holy books away.
I wish you my best on your quest.
Okay, here’s the FIRST post you TYPED instead of TALKED. Here’s something we can debate.
You believe that Jesus might’ve lived forever. Sin is the cause of death. Sin had no power over Jesus. From these beliefs you claim to have, I can only take it you got this from what you call Holy Scripture. You are assuming from a source which CAN NOT BE VERIFIED FOR AUTHENTICITY that Jesus was without sin.
Now, don’t quote something that can easily be debated (the bible, etc.), but tell me this one thing: Why is god such an asshole to create sin in the first place?
I can think of a thousand reasons, LQ. First, POWER.
Have you seen Apocalypto? Shitty Gibson film, yes, but one thing that strikes me as being truly religious is when the elders (executors of slaves) ask the sky if these human sacrifices have been enough? The eclipse happens and the executor tells his many, many minioins “God is satisfied.” They cheer and let the rest go.
Why do I think this is religious? Because we already know that the elders have studied the stars and KNOW when any eclipse-- solar, lunar, what have you-- WILL HAPPEN!
The POWER OF KNOWLEDGE-- something YOUR god supposedly tried to keep us from getting at the fig tree in Genesis-- is true power.
Religion and the story of a higher power is just that. Most humans are gullible. Some are not. Those that are willing to believe something without proof are simply… dumb.
If I killed your best friend and I did it “because god told me to”, wouldn’t you at least guess schizophrenia before thinking I was telling the truth about god talking to me?
Two questions for you: One, how old do you think the planet Earth is?
Two, hasn’t there been at least one, small, almost insignificant event in your life to question faith? (Remember, faith requires no logic, reason or knowledge.)
E-mail an administrator–TubaDiva (tubadiva@aol.com ) and SkipMagic (sdmb@skipmagic.net ) are frequent targets of such requests–telling that person you messed up your name when you entered it, and request the correction.
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As to the rest of your rationalizations and attempts at justification for your posting: don’t bother. I have attempted to point out a few realities of this board on the off chance that you actually wish to participate. As long as you do not engage in prohibited behavior, you will be permitted to post, but your defenses and justifications are specious and you would do better to save your typing time for those who wish to engage you rather than those of us whose duty compels us to read it.
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According to some people, Jesus could have been lying and faking His death for all the Romans knew, since Christians are so notorious for faking and lying about things… According to the word of God, however, this was to fulfill a prophecy that Jesus’ bones would not be broken and that they would look upon the one whom they pierced. The soldiers were also simply doing their job. They may have watched Jesus give up the Ghost… but they were conducting a professional execution… they made sure to stick the proverbial fork in Him 'cause He was done(that isn’t meant to be disrespectful to my Lord and Saviour. He suffered and died on that cross for me).
The reason for the soldiers sticking Jesus with the spear and seeing the water and blood pour out is as follows…
“For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced”.–John 19:36-37
and furthermore… the Scriptures state that…
“But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water”–John 19:34
“This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth”–1 John 5:6.
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one”–1 John 5:7
“the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement”–1 John 5:8
the Water, Blood, and Spirit were symbolic of the Holy Trinity. How? Well… How does Genesis start? "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (here it is) And the Spirit of God moved across the face of the (yup, you know it) WATER. Jesus was God incarnate… God in the flesh… and what is something the Bible says cannot enter into Heaven? the flesh and the BLOOD. Jesus was the Blood. Then the Spirit was when Jesus died and gave up the Ghost. Jesus no longer was flesh and blood when died. He became a SPIRIT.
(this would be a nice time to note that in the opening post I stated that symbolism is a powerful tool… 100% of prophecy and much of the scriptures in the Holy Bible are symbolism). A more secular and primitive way of observing symbolism (and a little rabbit trail just for $#!ts ‘n’ giggles) is the four elements, Earth, Air, Water, and Fire… if you think about it… those four elements make up each human body. Our bodies are something like 60% water if I am remembering correctly, the Bible says man was created from the dust of the Earth and science agrees that many elements found in our body are also found in the earth (i.e. calcium, iron, potassium, etc.), we breath the Air to take in oxygen (the Bible refers to this as the Breathe of God)… and now I know someone who reads this will be thinking “good luck with the Fire, humans have no fire in them”. The fire is the Spirit or Soul of man… the essence of his/her being. IMPO, this fire resides in the depths of the heart. Have you ever been so sad, or in so much pain, or felt so happy that you felt it in your heart? I believe each man has a burning fire of passion and desire in his/her heart. I honestly don’t know if this is the same type of… but there is also plasma in our blood. Fire and Lightning are both forms of plasma. like I just said though… I don’t know if it’s the same type of plasma because I never thought of that until just now, so I haven’t researched it. I’m sure it’s different. but… still a pretty interesting coincidence.
I agree with this. Jesus was sent specifically by the Father to die for the sins of mankind. In Jesus’ most passionate moment of prayer he said “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will” and “My Father, if it is not possible for this to pass away except I drink it, then let your will be done.” --Matthew 26:39 and Matthew 26:42, respectively. Jesus knew what was going down and He said to the Father (my paraphrase) “Daddy, I’m really getting kind of nervous about taking on the sins of ALL men, if it is possible, could we just forget all about this and think of a Plan B and get someone else to do it? But Dad I don’t want to do things my way… I want to do things your way”… and then He goes and wakes up His sleepy disciples, scolds them for falling asleep on Him during His time of sorrow… then goes back and prays to God some more saying (paraphrase) “Daddy, it doesn’t seem like anyone else could take on this burden except me, so Let’s do things the way You planned”. That is when Jesus knew for certain He was to die because of the sins that I’ve committed, the sins that you’ve committed, and the sins of every other person who ever has lived, was living at that time, and ever would live in the future.
I agree with you about this too and would like to explain a little more in detail what went down. A crucifixion was not only an excruciatingly painful means of torment and execution, but also was considered the most humiliating death, and furthermore it is written in Deuteronomy 21:23 “His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;)” and is explained in Galatians 3:13 that “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree”. Jesus wasn’t hanged on a tree with leaves… but c’mon… we all know where the wood for the cross came from… wood comes from, yuppers, trees. This is why Jesus said to God “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me”? God cannot look upon sin and the moment Jesus was hung on the cross He became a curse and took upon the sins of all mankind and God could no longer look upon Jesus and protect Him. This is when the demons and powers of darkness and principalities were able to take hold of Jesus, and because Jesus took on the sins of ALL men, Jesus’ Spirit was taken down to the depths of the Earth (aka Hades) by those evil spirits of darkness Matthew 12:40 “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”. For those three days and nights He witnessed to those who had passed away under the old law and were trapped in Hades because of the old law and He took the keys of death and Hades upon His resurrection… “I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades”–Revelation 1:18.
I partially agree with you here, but i don’t completely understand your POV here. Jesus willing and knowingly broke bread with a Satan, and Jesus knew very well that Judas Iscariot would betray the Son of Man. However, this is not Jesus allowing a devil to overpower Him and I don’t believe this was Jesus accepting death, because Jesus accepted to drink from the cup of death as He prayed in the garden. Jesus loved Judas Iscariot all the same… and Jesus was giving Judas an opportunity to repent. Let’s check out that account real quick…
Matthew 26:20-25
20 Now when the evening was come, he sat down with the twelve.
21 And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?
23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
Jesus knew Judas Iscariot was the one who was going to betray Him. However, Judas didn’t expect that Jesus knew it was him… read verse 22-25 again… in verse 22 all the disciples began asking if it was one them. In verse 23 Jesus says "it is He who dippeth his hand with me in the dish. Well, they were all supping with Jesus, so Jesus never said exactly which disciple would betray Him.
In verse 24 Jesus said (paraphrased) “I will continue on with the same plans as before, but I pity the man who betrays me…”. Finally, in verse 25 Judas, who knew he had already made plans and accepted money to betray Jesus asks “Master, is it I”? to which Jesus replied (paraphrased) “You are the one who has said so”(meaning Judas already made the decision in his heart to betray his Lord). Jesus was hinting to Judas that He knew Judas would betray Him, and Jesus warned Judas that the man who betrayed Him would wish he had never been born. Jesus was giving Judas and opportunity to repent, but because Judas had completely lost sight of God’s plan, he could not repent because of the power Satan had over him.
Because Judas was ignorant of God’s plan, Judas went through with the betrayal thinking it was to protect Jesus’ life. Judas didn’t know they were going to kill Jesus, in fact, Judas didn’t even know it was Jesus’ destiny to die for the sins of men (He couldn’t grasp it when Jesus foretold His death to His disciples). Judas believed Jesus was trying to restore the kingdom of Jerusalem in this life. Judas wasn’t aware that Jesus was sent to conquer death.
After Judas officially betrayed Jesus in the garden (and then the other disciples knew it was Judas)… “…Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” And they said, “What is that to us? You see to it!” Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself”–Matthew 27:3-5
Judas was so overwhelmed with guilt for condemning his Lord and King to death that he killed himself by hanging himself from a tree. Let us recall what was discussed earlier “Cursed is he who hangs from a tree” and what Jesus said at the supper “it would have been better if the betrayer had never been born”.
Judas Iscariot wasn’t the only disciple Jesus rebuked as a devil. Mark 8:33 says “But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men”. This is why I believe that Jesus didn’t accept death when supping with a devil, but was giving a friend whom was possessed by Satan one last chance at repentance. Judas was looking forward to the “riches of the Kingdom” that Jesus had spoken of… but Judas thought it was worldly riches, and was ultimately blinded to the will and plan of God by his greed and desire for worldly riches.
p.s. I was informally introduced with you earlier. I wasn’t aware I was talking to you. Hello! I hear we have a lot in common… I think we should collaborate. HAHA… perhaps we should discuss preparing weekly sermons and/or Bible studies… pffft… I bet these people would be absolutely THRILLED to participate in something like that.
Bob Marley killed the Son-but he didn’t kill the Father.
Hello, Li’l’ Nemo!
Thank you so much for the warm welcome without the hostility like I received from some of the others. I also appreciate the tips about how to communicate with the people on this forum. This is only the second forum group i have ever participated in, and the first one wasn’t so demanding… but I assume the people here may be a little more mature and older.
I was almost positive I wouldn’t be bringing up anything new… but I can assure you, if you read my posts you will see that God has blessed me with a unique way of presenting His Gospel that not many people have done here before. Like I said in the original post… I’m not a traditional Christian. I don’t want to preach… I want to teach. I want my mind to be challenged by others and I want to challenge the minds of others.
I’m deeply sorry that I have long posts. I truly feel the need to say all I say, because I try my absolute best to leave no room for error. Try as I may it is nearly impossible for me to trim things down. I can see being turned off by a large amount of reading, but I know some people will read through my entire posts, and it is for those people I am typing. I type for those who will appreciate it and think on it. Reading is a wonderful thing, and I don’t believe I am the worlds greatest typist or writer, but I also don’t believe I’m as bad as certain people make me out to be. They are just complainers with nothing better to do than complain about how much time I’m wasting, but as I told the people in the first forums I was involved in, I’m doing this for that one person who will take the time to read and will soak up the things I type, because they have the desire to learn the Word of God, and I have the desire to teach it (as well as learn more… I learned things today that I never knew). Even if no one reads my posts, I still benefit from typing them… it’s a win win situation for me.
I’m not so much here to convict as I am to reach out to those who have a desire to learn or discuss these things. I’m not here to make non-believers believers… I’m here to encourage the believers to continue to believe and to sharpen our minds with the knowledge and wisdom of God by conversing with each other.
I’m quite positive I already have “enemies”, but I also know I already have friends.
Thank you again so much for the kind welcome and the helpful tips. I will try my absolute best to trim these puppies down… but no promises. Once my fingers start typing they don’t seem to be able to stop.
From your reply to kanicbird (post #77), it appears you would rather vent about what you believe with those who already agree with you. If you were looking to give us your OP and wait for all of us to say something like, “Where has this guy BEEN! I feel so relieved! My life now has PURPOSE!”, then lookup “debate.”
From your responses to glee, he/she was just being nice, you flinched.
I would also like to point out that even kanicbird has his own opinions, so even a believer might surprise you too…
Can’t wait to hear your responses to my posts.
“Jesus wept.” is the shortest quote in the silly bible. When you write like that, more are likely to read. 