I’d argue that it was possible, though not common. If someone were either mentally unstable enough or emotional/angry enough (some sort of berserker rage perhaps), I think they could shrug off psychic intrusions long enough to do some damage.
Whether it would be enough to break down defenses and do any actual damage would depend upon the combatants.
And of course the sheer strength of robots and the undead could tie a telepath into knots 
Nope. Just telekinetically lift them into the air. No amount of strength (well, within reason) will save you when you can’t get any traction.
(When I wrote “telepath”, I was referring to someone, like Jean, that is both telepathic and telekinetic.)
Ah well telekenesis and telepathy are two entirely different disciplines of psionic power.
TK is in that respect a great boon, but if, for example, the target is stronger than the telekinetic’s control level, they would only be slowed. If they were heavier, they could not be lifted.
Even if they were held still and had not the strength to break the hold, if they have some sort of projectile attack or energy control, they could still make attacks.
While I’ll agree that psionicists are some of the most difficult foes to battle against, they aren’t impervious.
The overly cocky psionicist in my AD&D group is really starting to tick my Troll Frenzied Berserker off, so I’ll let you know the results when I try to eat him.
Lo, I’ve been devoting some thought to this while I have been at work, and I’ve come to conclusion that we’re all overlooking something.
What are the X-Men’s relative positions at the beginning of the fight?
If the characters are fairly far apart, say spaced evenly about the danger room’s perimeter, then Jean Grey, Cyclops, Iceman, and Storm are the favorites because their powers can work at a distance. Cyclops is my personal favorite because it wouldn’t take him much time to fill the room with a wide-angle beam strong enough to kill anything human. That takes out most of the X-Men. If Cyclops’ beam is strong enough to destroy a mountain, then he can take out Colossus, Iceman and Rogue (from what I remember, she isn’t as invulnerable as Superman). I agree with Fenris that Jean Grey can do the stunt he described above, but I think it will take her at least a few seconds against people trained to resist mental attacks. As I recall, even Saturn Girl needed a couple of seconds to take out Mon-El and Ultra Boy while they were under Universo’s control.
If the X-Men are placed close to one another for immediate melee, then my favorites would be Wolverine, Colossus, Rogue, and the Beast. If Gambit is on the edges and hangs back to take on the winners, he might pull it off. I think Jean Grey is at a disadvantage is such a scenario because Hank McCoy is bright enough to launch a full-strength flying kick at her head and putting him into a coma isn’t going to alter the laws of physics.
Personally, I think a much more interesting scenario would be to scatter the X-Men thoughout the mansion and have them seek one another out. In this scenario, my favorites would be Wolverine (as the Phoenix saga relates, he is very stealthy, and Logan probably has some experience in guerilla tactics), Jean Grey (she should be able to sense her opponents’ position) and the Beast (y’all are underestimating Hank McCoy. He is fast and strong enough to take out in hand-to-hand combat all X-Men but Colossus and Rogue, and he is bright enough to whip up a weapon against those two or else manuever them into the Danger Room and use that against them.)
Put the X-Man outdoors, say on a deserted island, and then my favorite would be Storm. If she gains the air, then only Rogue has a prayer of stopping Ororo.
Also, I think any X-Man has a chance of winning a fight. I can see the Angel (one of the most useless heroes ever) winning if the fight is in the danger room and he flaps to the ceiling to wait it out. In this scenario, say Cyclops is the penultimate X-Man. Warren can swoop down immediately after Cyclops finishes off his last opponent, grap Scott from behind, and take him up to the ceiling. Even an accomplished martial arts artist is going to be stunned from a long fall onto concrete or metal. Warran can repeat the process until Cyclops is dead or too stunned to offer resistance to the Istanbul twist.
Shouldn’t my employers be grateful?
Ah, but that’s the thing… Jean IS strong enough to lift just about anyone involved. There’ve been times when she’s lifted a dozen or so people at once, or held up a collapsed building around her and a couple of her comrades. Her telekinetic ability is top-notch, yo.
I’m curious. How would the Beast take out Wolverine? Anyone with a ranged attack has a decent chance at it, I’ll grant, but wouldn’t Beast have to close to within range of those claws? Now, admittedly, I’m not an eight-foot tall mountain of fur and muscle, but that’s sure not something I’d want to do.
And SPOOFE, I agree that limiting Jean and nobody else isn’t exactly fair, but I can’t think of any way to justify the scenario, otherwise. What’s your take on that?
Meanwhile, I’m tentatively thinking that Cyclops has the advantage, since he can attack most of his opponents at once. With a wide-beam blast, he wouldn’t even need to see or notice the others, so long as they happen to be in his area of effect (field of vision, right?). But anyone who starts off behind him (or otherwise outside his area of effect, or somehow immune) will have a clear shot.
Chronos: If you check out the Avengers Annual, I believe it’s #9 or #10, that features the WW2 robot Arsenal, the Beast has the speed and reflexes to pluck out of the air, with his foot, no less, an arrow fired by none other than Hawkeye.
Wolvie may have animal reflexes (whatever the hell this means – are we talking a cat or a sloth?), but I would submit that the Beast is one of the most agile of Marvel characters. I don’t find it a stretch to imagine that Hank could feint Wolverine into a lunge, jump over him, and then turn around and hit Wolvie in the back of the head as hard as he can. This should knock out Wolverine for a good while, and, unless marvelous healing factor = can regenerate total body from one cell, Hank can later rip out Wolverine’s heart or brain or liver or all three. By Marvel’s * own published standards*, the Beast can lift about a ton, while Wolverine has a strength close to normal. One well-placed blow and Wolvie is down for the count.
Hell, the Beast wouldn’t even have to fake out Wolverine. He could just move around until he saw an opening, and that would be it.
You’re also overlooking the fact that Hank McCoy is a very smart mutant, and would have little compunction about throwing something very heavy at Wolverine or tossing a coil of wire about his legs, assuming the Beast could lay his paws on such materials. I refer you to Neil Adams’ Sentinel trilogy where the Beast takes out a Sentinel by climbing to a position above it and pushing a heavy piece of machinery on its robotic head. Ol’ Hank combines some brawn with excellent brains, and, if honestly written, he would take out in hand-to-hand combat every X-Men but Colossus and Rogue. They are simply too strong and too invulnerable.
It would be between Jean Gray/Phoenix and Nightcrawler, but id say that Jean would win
Technically, wasn’t Magneto once an X-Man? I know he taught the New Mutants for a while, at least…if Mags is allowed, I’d give it to him. Unless I’m remembering incorrectly, Colossus’ “organic metal” is vulnerable to Mags’ powers, as is Wolvie’s Adamantium. By making those two his “puppets”, he could take down a good portion of the rest of them, while using his powers to knock out the rest (I forget how it was supposed to work, exactly, but he did it in X-Men Alpha, the Age of Apocalypse intro issue), leaving them easy pickings. After that, he could make Wolvie hold still while he uses Colossus to rip Wolvie’s head off and then he could manipulate Wolvie’s body to slice Peter’s head off. The end.
This is an 11 year zombie thread, for anyone not checking the time stamps.
Speaking of things that don’t die, isn’t Iceman immortal now? I haven’t followed recent comics, but I understand that he can just rebuild his body if it’s destroyed.
Do not discount Cyclops. The man with a nuke inside his head.
Jean Grey defeats any of them one on one. The only way the others have a smidgeon of a chance is for everyone but Beast to team up against her to buy Hank McCoy time to either make some device or go for help.
If Jean isn’t there, then Storm. When she’s pissed off she can be ruthless, and she wouldn’t underestimate Beast; she’d take him out first. Her biggest problem would be Kitty–not because of the latter’s powers, but because Storm loves Kitty more than she loves ice cream. Ororo could make a stone of her heart and off Wolverine, Cyclops, and even Colossus, but I think she’d rather die than even hurt Kitty.
Except Kitty is a ninja. If the 80s have taught me anything, it’s that a ninja beats all.
Well, as long as there’s only one.
Shadowcat doesn’t have to do much to ruin people’s days. Just phase her hand through her target’s skull and squish. The big thing is getting close enough to do that, which could be problematic.
The only thing I have to add is that Wolverine does not win. Hell, he was defeated by Conan in a What If… comic.
If I’m betting…my money is going on Jean.
To be fair, Conan is the most badass human character ever.
