Why are people acting like a Biden win in November will defeat fascism, and not AT BEST, delay it?
Moved to its own topic as it was basically an off-topic hijack of the thread it was posted to.
Are people seeing it that way?
That’s the problem with combating fascism (or other evils). You need to win every time while they only need to win once. So, I don’t think people see it as winning this election ends the threat only that it is the current battlefield.
Who’s acting like this?
The current battle isn’t even won until the balance of SCOTUS goes back close to something normal and MAGA loses steam.
This fight will take a while.
Agreed. And if Trump wins, it gives an opportunity to even further corrupt SCOTUS either by replacing an older right-wing justice with somebody younger or replacing a left-leaning justice. Even replacing 1 more would be SCOTUS out of reach for perhaps decades. Even now, the future of SCOTUS is really bad. McConnell for all of his evil had the right idea.
A big part of the argument is that “only old white men support this fascism, so if we can just keep delaying fascism until all the old MAGAs die, then the threat will expire.”
The problem is that MAGA is a lot more diverse than that. I’ve seen quite a few women, Hispanics, Asians, young people who like MAGA.
I keep hearing people saying to vote in November, as if voting has ever stopped fascism. As if fascists have ever given a shit about election results.
Well, we have a better chance if Trump loses than if he wins.
A lot better
Some numbers for you:
MAGA supporters are over 80% White and over half are over 65. About 67% Male. Only about 30% have college degrees.
So yes, there are others, but by percentage they are mostly white.
Not really? Trump is just the figurehead of the fascist movement. If he loses in November, Republicans have 4 years to regroup and change their plans to be more effective. The ONLY reason Jan 6. failed is because of how incompetent Trump is.
I think we take a big step away from the cliff if Trump loses. Thus far nobody has been able to copy Trump’s play book. Many have tried (Mr. DeSantis, I’m looking in your direction) but they lack some quality that Trump has. It’s that “shoot someone on 5th Avenue” thing. Trump really could, but nobody else has that je ne sais quoi
So while the sentiment remains, I think it fizzles as a movement without Trump.
Soooo…give up?
What are you suggesting? Voting against fascism sounds better than not voting against fascism. It doesn’t preclude any other strategies.
This is exactly what was was thinking when I read the OP. So, what’re we supposed to do about it? The best thing I can think of is to vote for the non-fascists. Beyond that, what’dya got?
Almost any veep would have done what Pence did, And there is no way to determine in advance who will be perfectly loyal.
Now, because of the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022, even if Trump wins, and a future Pence wanted to steal the 2028 election as directed by Trump, they could not,
And what happened to the gradations between representative democracy and fascism?
Anything that will get us past this election will be a win for democracy. Trump will be too old to be a threat in the future. Biden will be out of the picture. MAGA people don’t respond in the same way to all the lickspittles who think they are on his team. Trump is transgressive where they are all just kiss asses. That makes it harder to accumulate electoral political power.
Right.
Look, if trump goes the movement goes. Was there anything before trump? Oh yeah the Tea Party movement.
Tea Party movement - Wikipedia.
Tea Party activities began to decline in 2010.[168][169] According to Harvard professor Theda Skocpol, the number of Tea Party chapters across the country slipped from about 1,000 to 600 between 2009 and 2012, but that this is still “a very good survival rate.” Mostly, Tea Party organizations are said to have shifted away from national demonstrations to local issues.[168] A shift in the operational approach used by the Tea Party has also affected the movement’s visibility, with chapters placing more emphasis on the mechanics of policy and getting candidates elected rather than staging public events.[170][171]
The Tea Party’s involvement in the 2012 GOP presidential primaries was minimal, owing to divisions over whom to endorse as well as lack of enthusiasm for all the candidates.[169
This sort of thing comes and goes in cycles.
Yes. This thread feels like a tactic rather than question.
There can come a time to hide regime victims.
And I’m a big fan of opposition media.
Before the internet, I would have sought out samizdat. Nowadays the internet gives more options. If SDMB is shut down, we should very carefully find VPN alternatives.
Now, if people are posting here just like today, and claiming to be living under fascism, it’s not any kind of fascism I know. And that’s good, because, from the point of view of a caudillo, elections, while even a smidgen of free media still exists, are a hard-to-stop risk.